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#312243 - 05/16/19 06:40 PM Re: end is nigh [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Small groups of heavily armed rednecks with farming and hunting experience living in remote farmable, huntable, fishable rural areas.

Yes, I see you are being the Realist again... Cormac McCarthyism.

While it's far less likely, I still have the fantasy that some people will one day learn to live a bit more harmoniously. Though I can't really think of any evidence that it has ever happened... rolleyes
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#312244 - 05/16/19 08:09 PM Re: end is nigh [Re: jgw]
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There is a place called Neah Bay in about the most northwestern place you can get in the continental United States. Its also on an Indian reservation. They used to have an airforce base. That base was built to support a hollowed out mountain where they could actually launch jet airplanes. Its really quite scenic and faces the Pacific Ocean (but high up), and its BIG. I suspect that this installation is still there (probably with big steel doors, etc to keep it safe for eternity). So, If you really want to hide out I suspect this would be the place to go. I don't think the Indians are doing anything with it and would probably be willing to give somebody the chance to either buy, or lease, the facility. You could probably stick over 100 people in this one.

There is another installation in a place called Salt Creek. Its currently a county park. It used to have a base, called Camp Hayden, to support it. This one has a number of hollowed out places that were built in WWII to guard the entrance to Puget sound (amongst other things they had 6/8 inch guns installed (now all scrapped out). The hollow places, however, are still there and you can actually drive through a couple of them. The state has also taken over parts of it as, at one time, they thought this would be a good safe place to hideout if war comes and they keep their big steel doors pretty well locked up. I have been told that they have also stored literally tons of paperwork, etc. in there. Still, if you have the bucks I suspect you could work something out.

There are any number of these places still existing. The Oregon coast also has a bunch of them as does puget sound. Port Townsend
has several such places too. Thought I would just make a couple of suggestions if you want to hide out.

Just a thought.............

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#312252 - 05/17/19 01:43 PM Re: end is nigh [Re: jgw]
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History has proven that Doomsday villas don't work, JGW.
Cooperate or die.
Socialism puts a premium on cooperation while fascism is about hierarchy.

Not only will there be issues of common defense and procurement of goods but a host of contagions and infections should also appear as sanitation and hygiene are reduced.

It doesn't take a genius to see that already underway. Diseases are on the rise and we are woefully unprepared to deal with them. Preferring capitalism to socialism in our health care doesn't mean a thing to microbiology.

My area of the county is infested with the rural plague, Lyme disease. The Doctors are told not to address it. It goes mostly misdiagnosed and is not a disease for the poor to get better from. They get opium pain killers for the symptoms instead of getting cured and the health industry is happy.

I expect even more similar scenarios to play out in the years ahead as microbes have less choices for hosts to infect they will invariably jump to whats remaining- humans. I believe that's a well understood evolutionary adaption in microbiology.

Good look with that in the absence of public healthcare and a commodification of illness to maximize profit of diseases.

For better or worse, The leader of the center right party said it best: 'were all capitalists now'.



Edited by chunkstyle (05/17/19 02:00 PM)

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#312255 - 05/17/19 02:59 PM Re: end is nigh [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Greger
Small groups of heavily armed rednecks with farming and hunting experience living in remote farmable, huntable, fishable rural areas.

Yes, I see you are being the Realist again... Cormac McCarthyism.

While it's far less likely, I still have the fantasy that some people will one day learn to live a bit more harmoniously. Though I can't really think of any evidence that it has ever happened... rolleyes


Small groups of heavily armed rednecks with hunting and farming experience can live very harmoniously.
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#312258 - 05/17/19 06:06 PM Re: end is nigh [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think you may be confusing plain old healthcare with the American Modern For Profit Healthcare. This is the modern way! Anything else is, obviously, Un-American!

What I really don't understand, however, is that the "For Profit" part is rarely, if ever spoken, by either side. I guess its just a given.


Edited by jgw (05/18/19 05:39 PM)

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#312261 - 05/17/19 06:26 PM Re: end is nigh [Re: jgw]
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I'm not sure what your referring to when you say "plain old healthcare" JGW.

Whats that?

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#312263 - 05/17/19 09:21 PM Re: end is nigh [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Greger
Small groups of heavily armed rednecks with farming and hunting experience living in remote farmable, huntable, fishable rural areas.

Yes, I see you are being the Realist again... Cormac McCarthyism.

While it's far less likely, I still have the fantasy that some people will one day learn to live a bit more harmoniously. Though I can't really think of any evidence that it has ever happened... rolleyes


Small groups of heavily armed rednecks with hunting and farming experience can live very harmoniously.

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#312269 - 05/18/19 05:47 PM Re: end is nigh [Re: chunkstyle]
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I remember a time when you just went to a doctor, or a hospital, they took care of you and then asked about insurance and payments. Now you goto a hospital, for instance, and the first thing is asked is how they are going to get paid. That is the first question out of their mouths.

Healthcare used to have the health of the patient utmost - now its all about the bucks. Well, I am old, so my memory may be defective. In any case it would certainly be nice if the health of the patient was put first. That is certainly not the current situation.

Its interesting. Socially provided healthcare means that if you got a problem you goto the doctor and you get taken care of. Don't matter what the problem is, how much money you got, etc. Its even a little worse than that. Congress, for instance, actually passed a law to make it illegal to goto Canada and get drugs a LOT cheaper than here. The Republicans are against socially provided healthcare because there are no options for coverage (really!) socially provided healthcare has no options because EVERYTHING is covered!

Probably wrong about that too?

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#312288 - 05/20/19 04:28 AM Re: end is nigh [Re: jgw]
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Well, not quite everything. My employer's insurance would pay for 6 boner pills per month. Medicare Plan D (and every other Medicare Advantage plan that mimics Plan D) don't pay for any. I guess when you turn 65 they figure you are done with sex.

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#312298 - 05/21/19 09:31 AM Re: end is nigh [Re: jgw]
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I do not know of that time of which you speak JGW. One of the earliest recollections I have was a broken collar bone in the mid 70's, I remember my parents filling out the paper work while we waited in the emergency room.
The only times that I ever got to see a doctor without being asked 'who's gunna pay for this?' was when I was working abroad in Europe or Canada.
It must have been a nice time when it was the same in the states.
But hey, were all capitalists so buck up pal!


Edited by chunkstyle (05/21/19 09:32 AM)

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