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#312462 - 06/06/19 07:03 AM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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Scores of former federal prosecutors do not agree with you, but maybe you are more of an expert on this matter.

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#312463 - 06/06/19 12:46 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Actually, if some folks run in 2020 I think the "milkshaking" trend may turn to something a little harder. Like lead. This is America, after all. At some point a few folks are going to go all "Don't Tread On Me" and start shooting. We do have 20 bazillion guns out there.

More guns wielded by good guys could be a solution, according to the NRA. There are bound to be a few who agree.


That's the old thing about how one-third of Americans could be manipulated into killing another third of Americans while the last third sits and watches.

And yet somehow I remain convinced that the optics of a bunch of gun-toting bigoted Trumpers starting a shooting war against their fellow Americans would quite possibly be the most distasteful and objectionable spectacle to ever rear its ugly head.

And it would be put down in short order, because at that moment of truth, that one-third would dwindle rapidly in number, losing support quicker than the armed scumbags at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.
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#312464 - 06/06/19 03:19 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Scores of former federal prosecutors do not agree with you, but maybe you are more of an expert on this matter.

Yes I've read the interviews and the newspaper stories. What I haven't seen is an actual charge against Trump or his business.

The media is feeding the frenzy because they don't like Trump.

Obama was accused of a lot of things too. a lot of former federal prosecutors probably said he wasn't a citizen. The president himself has said it.

We'll know the answer to this soon. I think you're going to be disappointed. I'll be disappointed too. But I'm used to that. I'm a democrat.

If there was any serious dirt to be dug up on Trump it would have been dug up by now.
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#312469 - 06/06/19 05:57 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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I think a lot of dirt has been dug up, but we have that silly Justice Department opinion that says the President is above the law. Notice no court has ever ruled on that. It's just an opinion written by the Justice Department, to justify Justice Department actions.

But more interesting is that the opinion has no effect on the states. New York is actively working on indicting Trump soon. New York has all of his tax returns, and Congress is getting his financial records from banks and his accountant. The forensic accountants are starting to compare those to see if the criminal stuff Cohen said is true, but it takes a while when you have such a massive pile of documents.

If Trump never cheated on his taxes and never lied on loan applications, then he is in the clear. But "never lied" and "Trump" don't exist in the same universe.

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#312472 - 06/06/19 06:36 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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What we need is a Democratic party willing, and able, to use their constitutional rights to information from them administration. They have filed suits and now they are getting ready to indict the AG for contempt. If they do that then they should actually arrest said AG, throw him in jail (Washington jail should work), and fine the hell out of him. They should do this with all that have decided that the congress has no rights. Until they actually start to do this they will continue to be laughed at by the Republicans.

If they can start using what the constitution apparently gifts them with their efforts mean nothing, and they will continue to be ignored. Some say that Impeachment gives them more rights. Seems to me they already have which is necessary - they just gotta grow a pair and get on with it.

I continue to believe that if they can get the info they can get enough to horrify the entire nation.

We will, of course, in the fullness of time........................

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#312473 - 06/06/19 08:43 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If Trump never cheated on his taxes and never lied on loan applications, then he is in the clear. But "never lied" and "Trump" don't exist in the same universe.


He's got the best accountants in the business handling all that for him. He's not been hunkered over the desk with Don Jr. and Eric filling out forms with false info.

His lawyer flipped, they got the files. Nothing damning was really found. SDNY might find some little things but most likely they'll get swept under the rug and forgotten.

I'm just gonna sit right here and watch the Democrats self destruct over Donald Trump.

The Mueller Report Makes It Clear: Trump Is Off the Hook in SDNY as Well


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Since the announcement of special counsel Robert Muellerís decision to not indict President Donald Trump for obstruction of justice or any members of Trumpís family, critics of Trump who still feel some of his actions may have amounted to crimes seem to have put all their eggs in a new basket: the Southern District of New York. These Trump opponents now seem to be hoping that the Justice Departmentís branch in the SDNY, which secured a plea deal from Trumpís former personal lawyer Michael Cohen, will come after Trumpís family for financial improprieties and perhaps Trump himself for potential campaign finance violations. But based on what we have learned from the Mueller report, which was released on Thursday, and how it has been handled by Attorney General William Barr, it is time to lower expectations for the SDNY to act, at least as it pertains to the presidentís potential criminal liability while in office.

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#312474 - 06/06/19 08:52 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
Greger Offline

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Seems to me they already have which is necessary


Yeah everybody keeps telling me they've got the goods on Trump, all they gotta do is pull the trigger and it's a done deal.

False. They don't have anything to charge him with.
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#312477 - 06/07/19 03:26 AM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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I don't think SDNY is going to indict Trump. They are part of the Justice Department. They might indict some more of Trump's people including some of his family members. But it might be smarter to wait until Trump no longer has pardon powers to do that.

But I do think the state of New York is going to act. The state assembly and the governor are NOT big Trump fans. Trump's own fixer testified he overvalued assets for bank loans and undervalued them for tax returns. People DO go to prison for that. Why would he lie? He's made a deal and is already serving time. Perjury about this would add many more years to his sentence, if his deal got revoked ala Manafort. Manafort is a perfect example for coming clean and telling it all when you get a plea deal.

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#312481 - 06/07/19 06:23 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
jgw Offline
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Things continue to get more interesting. Here is one that may be of interest: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/trump-lawyer-voicemail-michael-flynn-cooperation

If the house can get the info, and drill down, I suspect they will find a whole nest of Trump bad.

The house has also streamlined the legal procedures of committee chairs (I think I have that right).

All in all they seem to be actually moving right along! Now, hopefully, they will get what they need to proceed.

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#312487 - 06/09/19 04:07 AM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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It's a very complex project, with many steps. Don't make the mistake of thinking nothing is happening, just because Trump is not being frog-marched off in handcuffs. Don't underestimate Nancy Pelosi. She says imprisonment is more appropriate than impeachment, and that is driving Trump crazy.

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