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#312175 - 05/09/19 01:40 AM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Good for pedophiles, I suppose. I'm not sure if anybody else benefits.

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#312187 - 05/10/19 04:34 PM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: NW Ponderer]
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This is a female problem and men are driving it. The American female seems to go about 30 years between actually supporting themselves and just sitting back and letting it happen. On the other hand the people going after Roe are 'Christian' men. I remember a friend of mine who was a good Christian Catholic who was against abortion. He gave the organization against a lot of money so he was invited to high level meetings. He said he was just standing against a wall listening to all the talk. Two Christian men were talking. One said to the other; "We are getting close to victory here", his friend replied; "Yah, then we are going to have to do something about them damned Papists!".

My friend left and never gave them another dime. My point is that these people don't sleep on their laurels. They keep it up, 24 hours a day, every day, no breaks. Its what they do. Unless women do that they are going to lose. Its that simple. I have always wondered. Men are, obviously, the ones really driving the anti-abortion thing yet they are rarely actually called on it in any real public way. I have always found it a bit odd.

Oh, I may have told this before, if so, apologies..............

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#312274 - 05/18/19 10:44 PM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#312282 - 05/19/19 06:56 PM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Conservatives want 12 year old Suzy to birth a baby if her bad uncle knocks her up. How sick is that?!? crazy
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#312283 - 05/19/19 06:59 PM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Also, let's see how Conservatives feel if their precious mail-order bride gets raped by a black man and gets preggers. I'm sure there will be an automatic exception granted there. Hmm
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#312286 - 05/20/19 04:21 AM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: pdx rick]
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I think 'bama may be a special case: If they let girls abort all their incest babies, the population would decline rapidly!

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#312352 - 05/25/19 04:26 AM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Interesting piece. Apparently the pro-choice/pro-life issue is now a deal breaker for some women.

Why These Women Dumped Men

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We did not go on that date,” said Kaylee, who, like other women in this piece, asked to have her last name withheld to protect her privacy. “I told him why I’m pro-choice. In response, he said it wasn’t ‘his fight to get into’ and then mansplained about how the government works.


What with all the assaults on reproductive rights these days, the logical position is "No choice, no sex." I wonder if lots of young men are going to reconsider their position!

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#313686 - 08/14/19 05:20 AM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I had an interesting epiphany: The abortion issue is essentially dead, because of RU-486. Even a reversal of Roe vrs Wade can't do anything about it. It may not be legal in some states, but neither are heroin or meth and millions of people manage to get those any time they want. All that needs to happen is for drug dealers to start carrying RU-486 pills. Women would have abortions on demand, and for a lot less expense than actually going to the doctor to get it.

A very small percentage would have complications that required medical intervention, but here's the rub: They can't tell the difference between an RU-486 abortion and a natural abortion, AKA a "miscarriage". God is the Great Abortionist! So many pregnancies end in miscarriage, authorities would soon be overwhelmed by investigating every miscarriage on suspicion of intentionality. All they need do is investigate one politician's wife after a miscarriage and the investigations would stop from the bad press.

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#313693 - 08/14/19 01:00 PM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
This is a female problem and men are driving it. The American female seems to go about 30 years between actually supporting themselves and just sitting back and letting it happen.


This is not just a female problem. The bumper-sticker answer is that every abortion is caused by a man. Men are indeed driving the suppression of abortion but that's been true for hundreds of years.

Could you please elaborate on your rather flippant remarks that women just "sit back and let(ting) it happen?” I do realize I'm quoting a May post and it may no longer be, well, viable.

Pondering, regarding pills that allow self-prescribed medically-induced abortions - pharmacists are now able to refuse prescriptions they don't want to fill, on the basis of "Waaah!" Which puts said pills squarely in the black market, which is not an acceptable solution.

Abortion has been around for a very long time. To say that it's women's job to keep it legal would show an astonishing level of irresponsibly, had it not
not ceased to be astonishing a very long time ago.


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#313707 - 08/14/19 05:36 PM Re: Roe v. Wade Is Under Immediate Threat [Re: Mellowicious]
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The sad thing is that so many people continue to vote for office seekers who then do their best to make abortion illegal, when over 70% of Americans do not want it illegal. Either that's some sort of logical disconnect or abortion does not matter that much to them. My point was that in spite of this, individual women will be able to access a very safe means of aborting in the future.

If you look at the actual numbers, legal surgical abortion is six times safer than carrying to term. But medical abortion (RU-486) is almost infinitely safer because it has almost zero mortality risk. So any law that permits abortion when the mother's life is at risk actually should allow all abortions!

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