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#312091 - 04/30/19 08:46 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
jgw Offline
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I found it interesting that this administration has decided to punish EVERYBODY, including close allies like Japan, China, UK, etc if they dare trade with Iran. This is one that may just push our economy overboard. What is being suggested is that we are going to refuse to trade with virtually ALL that we currently trade with. Pretty interesting - we have decided to tell everybody that they no longer have a choice as to who we will allow them to trade with. I tend to doubt that this is going to be received with enthusiasm.

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#312121 - 05/03/19 02:55 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: jgw]
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This is one that may just push our economy overboard.


One of many, my friend. That "the economy" has withstood Trumps hamfisted management of US trade is a miracle unto itself and proof of the resiliency of the global marketplace.

But along and along we gonna load one too many straws on the camels back. And s***'s gonna hit the fan like you never seen.

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#312128 - 05/03/19 04:54 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: jgw]
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I am pretty sure the US has been in a long simmering low key war against Iran for years.

I believe one of reason for invading Iraq was to plant US forces next to Iran. Ever since we have tried sanctions as a way to impose our will upon the Ayatollah.

I still do not know why conservatives hate the Iranians for taking back their country, but apparently they do.
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#312132 - 05/03/19 08:10 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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History in a nutshell.......

Its actually very strange. President Carter demanded that the Shah (the guy we put in charge of a Democratically elected government we decided to get rid of) empty his prisons of political prisoners. The Shah then went right ahead and did that. Shortly after the Shah got himself deposed. Then an ex American Attorney General got an army plane to transfer the Ayatollah from Paris to Iran. Not too long after that the released political prisoners, and a bunch of pissed off Iranians charged our Embassy, captured everybody there and kept them hostage. We have been angry with them every since as they might have been angry that we overturned their Democratic government and imposed the Shah on them (not a real nice guy but excelled in having some of the very best torturers in the world) but they failed to thank us for getting their political prisoners freed or taking the Ayatollah, who was not exactly our fan, back home.

Just thought I would throw this one in. I also suspect, since my memory isn't as great as it should be there may be errors in the above - apologies..............

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#312138 - 05/04/19 03:44 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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You forgot the cake Ollie North took them along with the promises if they would just hold those hostages until after Reagan beat Carter. Then the Reagan administration was all buddy buddy with them. So this meeting with adversaries to make some promises if they help elect your guy, is nothing new.

All this hostility toward Iran could just be another Trump ploy, like North Korea (fire and fury) so he can later deescalate and claim statesmanship.

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#312217 - 05/15/19 05:55 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I continue to wonder about the greatest deal maker the world has ever seen. As far as I can tell he has yet to make a single deal. I know, he has claimed the Nafta fix which was actually worked out by Obama. Instead of making deals it seems as if what he is really good at is pissing off folks who used to be allies. I do know that nobody trusts, nor much likes, us anymore.

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#312359 - 05/26/19 01:06 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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O.K., it comes from a lefty rag but the book review of 'A Crises Wasted' and the author, Reed Hunt, showcases what appears to be a very good critique of the democratic party and the surrounding incompetence of president Obama.

I like the fact that the guy, Reed, is a party insider with a front row seat to the fiasco and connects the dots from Obama to Trump.

“In the expression of leadership,” the author concludes, “Roosevelt’s speech resembles Trump’s inaugural address in 2017.”
Article Here

What's been obvious to those that weren't committed to her highness from the jump of her candidacy but has been missed by the party's organization and adherent's, has now been described by one of it's own. Ought to be a good read and I look forward to checking it out of the library.

It may be too little too late but you never know. So far the party has taken a more aggressive and undemocratic tone to any criticism and primary challengers with more progressive platforms are now prohibited from entering the race. It's now more or less having a progressive caucus when you can pry the democratic party from the cold frozen dead hands of neoliberals.

A real shame when compared to recent examples of solid progressive victories thru a mobilized base and a platform run on ideas instead of resumes.

Anywho, just goes to show the fallacy of 'selling out' your traditional base to 'compromise with the other side' and pick up the 'holy grail' of election victories. The middle unicorn.

After selling out your base you run out of things to sell.



Edited by chunkstyle (05/26/19 01:09 PM)

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#312503 - 06/10/19 12:55 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I'm still thinking a Warren/Bootyjudge ticket. Warren is starting to stand out, and on policy, no less.
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#312511 - 06/10/19 03:55 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Well one things fersure. The planetary climate destabilization is not worth nor will be given it's own debate with the Democratic presidential primary candidates. That has proven itself to extreme with Club DNC...

No Green New Deal FOR YOU!!!

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#312516 - 06/10/19 10:30 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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planetary climate destabilization


Funny that...more and more conservatives are making the switch every day. The evidence is pretty compelling and about half the people affected by fires and floods and hurricanes and droughts are Republicans.
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