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#312249 - 05/17/19 05:43 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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Anybody who worries about Trump refusing to leave if he loses. ignores the fact that somebody else wins and becomes President on Jan 20th. Trump becomes a pathetic loser who has had a major psychotic break. Meanwhile the new President is Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces, head of the Executive Branch, etc. The Secret Service will protect the President. All they'll do for Mr. Trump is put him on a helicopter ala Nixon. These are professionals with a sworn duty to the Constitution, not Trump.

Everybody in the Executive Branch works for the President, not for Mr. Trump. The only Trump loyalists are people he installed who are unemployed on January 20th.

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#312253 - 05/17/19 02:03 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: pondering_it_all]
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if he loses. ignores the fact that somebody else wins and becomes President on Jan 20th

Yes I believe I mentioned the fact we in America have a tradition of a peaceful, voluntary transition. However, you have ignored the extreme partisanship which devours America today. Consider Gen Flynn: if he is in command of military forces he may have ordered the protection of Mr Trump to remain as occupant of WH because there was a fraudulent election. How many more high ranking military leaders are there who implicitly support Mr Trump as the savior of America more than they support the Constitution? Also remember the date, 20 Jan. Between election day and inauguration day a lot can happen.

The only reason to even consider the unimaginable is because Mr Trump has exhibited a pattern of actions which assault the rule of law, especially the Constitution. He is a narcissist and as such does not consider losing a part of his delusion.

The only question which remains is would the military, law enforcement uphold their oath to the Constitution? Look around. I suspect if a poll were taken 30-40% would feel they should protect Mr Trump first. We live in a crazy world where all the previous norms no longer apply.

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The only Trump loyalists are people he installed who are unemployed on January 20th
If these are normal times ... yes. He has made a concerted effort to replace everyone with loyalists. He has packed the court with people who are sympathetic to him. Part of his disorder to getting people to love him, to praise him, to be loyal to him.

I don't trust the military. So what would you do if the military supported Mr Trump's continued residence in the WH? Call for the marines? They are the ones protecting him.

Mr Trump should not be considered in the context of what has gone before. Use the lens of dictatorial strongmen as the focal point. That should offer a proper perspective. Think Maduro. Imagine the Russians supporting Mr Trump's continued occupancy of the WH ... how does that feel?

Not saying that is what will happen. I am saying there is a higher probability than 0 it could happen.
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#312254 - 05/17/19 02:51 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: rporter314]
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From the looks of things Trump is going to win in 2020 anyway so the point is somewhat moot...

Biden will never beat him. But centrist boomers will still try to elect him.
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#312257 - 05/17/19 05:12 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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I can't disagree with the statement, it would appear Mr Trump may win.

I'll say it again ... unless there is a charismatic candidate who frames Mr Trump for what he is, a 12 year old bully who insults people rather than discuss the issues, a bigot who would rather elevate white supremacists, a vapid intellect incapable of comprehending complex ideas, a manager who prefers chaos to order, and a person who is so impulsive he is a danger to American security, I don't hold much hope for removing him from occupancy of the WH. The candidate must remove the gloves. It is no holds barred. Hitting below the belt is allowed.
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#312266 - 05/17/19 11:42 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


I cannot disagree. This rant is 100% spot-on. Hmm





I love all the handwringing about Barr's wiseass comment to Pelosi, "Did you bring your handcuffs?"
What's the problem? Arrest his fat ass and put him in jail.
Congress doesn't HAVE a jail, you say?
No problem, lock his fat ass in a conference room!
What, you think that pink pudgy Care Bear can pull a jailbreak or something?
Toss in some Adult Depends, taxpayers shouldn't have to have Nancy Pelosi pay someone to scrub his shorts.
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#312267 - 05/18/19 02:47 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Anybody who worries about Trump refusing to leave if he loses. ignores the fact that somebody else wins and becomes President on Jan 20th. Trump becomes a pathetic loser who has had a major psychotic break. Meanwhile the new President is Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces, head of the Executive Branch, etc. The Secret Service will protect the President. All they'll do for Mr. Trump is put him on a helicopter ala Nixon. These are professionals with a sworn duty to the Constitution, not Trump.

Everybody in the Executive Branch works for the President, not for Mr. Trump. The only Trump loyalists are people he installed who are unemployed on January 20th.
That post warms the cockles of my heart. smile
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#312271 - 05/18/19 06:00 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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Which is, unfortunately, why Jackass is trying to install loyalists into any office he can find. The latest coup was HIS attorney general. I don't know about the military but I betcha he is working pretty hard on that group too. I wonder what he promises. Those taking the bait will, eventually, get screwed over by Jackass too. One can only wonder what these loyalists were thinking. The Jackass history is, basically, screw everybody that comes into range. I think there is even a book on this one called, I think, "Everything Trump touches, dies". Haven't read it but the title suggested I am probably close?

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#312272 - 05/18/19 07:39 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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Almost every appointed position ends with a new President. If we get some Senate Republicans who have a come to Jesus epiphany in the 2020 election, we could even impeach the Trump judges who were rated "Not Qualified" by the bar. Probably not the ones who were rated "Azzhole, but qualified."

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#312280 - 05/19/19 05:21 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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My fond hope, again, is that, with all these investigations, somebody is going to find somebody. I watched "the trump family business" on tv the other night. It documented, pretty well, that they are feathering their own nests, the whole family, with what can only be termed a criminal enterprise and this was on TV! If reporters can get this stuff then what in the hell is everybody else doing?

What we really need is well documented stuff so that the Republican elected can see the errors of their ways so they can get re-elected. If not they will be fair game.

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#312281 - 05/19/19 06:54 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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What we really need is well documented stuff so that the Republican elected can see the errors of their ways...

Self-reflection requires intelligence so all hope is lost in that regard right there... coffee
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