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#312103 - 05/02/19 04:27 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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Looks like Trump's hand-picked AG Obstructed Justice and lied to the American People just like what Fatass Trump wanted in an AG.

Who's going to hire these people once Trump is out of Office? They won't be able to get that Trump stank off of them.

Hmm
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#312105 - 05/02/19 05:27 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: pdx rick]
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Bill Barr demonstrated today that he should not be Attorney General and should face impeachment. His dissembling and outright lying was astounding. I am glad there is a Mueller letter to commemorate Barr's dishonesty. Some of the excuses he made for the President today would be outlandish coming from Rudy Giuliani, but this man is the Attorney General! He acted exactly as if he were Trump's defense attorney, not a federal employee. He's gotta go.

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#312107 - 05/02/19 06:48 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: pdx rick]
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They won't be able to get that Trump stank off of them.


Like I said, you'll be FAR better off being known as somebody Trump fired for refusing to break the law or lie for him, rather than as a Trump toadie who broke the law for him and then went to prison. If you do break the law or lie, it will be found out and that will follow you the rest of your professional life. We seem to have reached the point where lies or criminal acts will be found immediately, because of all the scrutiny. Your protection disappears in 555 days.

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#312115 - 05/02/19 04:24 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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Jim Mattis and H.R. McMaster may have salvaged their reputations with their departures, but I'm sure they are scarred.

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#312118 - 05/02/19 07:00 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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where are the books????
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#312225 - 05/16/19 03:03 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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The thought just crossed my little pointy head, I have often wondered what the German people thought about the ascent of Hitler ... surely there were more anti-Nazis than supporters. Perhaps the people just got tired.

Have we entered the same paradigm? Are people simply tired of the assault on our senses and just don't care anymore??
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#312227 - 05/16/19 06:43 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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I think there is a rhythm for autocrats, and a methodology. It requires a steady drumbeat and the audacity to ignore contrary opinion and fact. The Trump administration is proving the most corrupt in American history, and not by a little. The Mueller report showed this in spades, yet Trump's sycophantic followers refuse to acknowledge any wrong. It is mindbending to see it in operation.

At this point not only may impeachment be inevitable, but we are truly in a constitutional crisis. Trump is defying all constraints on his behavior, and being abetted by a corrupt party that refuses to exercise any independent behavior or judgment. In that sense it is like the rise of Hitler and the Nazi party.

We are at an existential crisis for our nation. Are there still American values and standards or is it truly party/ tribe über alles? I'm so scared it keeps me up at night. I'm actually concerned that Trump may refuse to accept his loss in 2020, and the GOP may go along. His followers have already demonstrated a propensity for violence, and a mindless acceptance of anything he does.

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#312236 - 05/16/19 02:16 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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The 2020 will be the most seminal election in our nations history. The survival of American Democracy is at stake.

Vote ... and vote often
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#312239 - 05/16/19 03:31 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: rporter314]
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The 2020 will be the most seminal election in our nations history.


Don't they say that about every election?

Trump refusing to leave if he's defeated? They say that too. Every presidential year anyway.

I've been a democrat for a long time. I've learned to accept and embrace disappointment.
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#312242 - 05/16/19 06:04 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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Don't they say that about every election?

I guess for cynics as yourself using soundbites doesn't do a lot for you. Look back at say the last 10 cycles. Is there any one of them which in your opinion was so important it would change the future of democracy? I don't think so.

This election however is a referendum on American values and exceptionalism. Re-electing Mr Trump would ensconce bigotry as American. Re-electing Mr Trump would ensure the Constitution does not matter. Re-electing Mr Trump guarantees there are selected people who are above the law. Not since 1860 has there been an election of such importance.

We are at a crucial intersection, to determine the future of our Democracy. Imagine if you lived in 1933 Germany. Future German democracy was at stake and it should have been clear to all. A mesmerizing demagogue promoting bigotry and anti-Semitism, should feel familiar, especially when listening to a Trump rally. The only difference is the crowd is not marching around carrying flags and banners.

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Trump refusing to leave if he's defeated?

While it may be true some Democrats have said that about Pres Bush, there was never any real reason to think it. With Mr Trump there is every reason to not just consider it but think seriously about it. He laid the foundation for a rigged election. His Base believes elections are rigged against them. He has laid the foundation for a deep state conspiracy out to get him. He claims there was a coup attempt. And his Base believes him. He tramples all the norms (this is not just his style ... he doesn't believe in the Constitution) of governing. Mr Trump tries to govern as if he were a king.

So the question is, why would he consider leaving the WH if he lost.

I am not a Democrat, but can empathize with your disappointment,
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