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#312417 - 06/01/19 02:57 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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Marketing? We can't even sell global climate change with facts, evidence, and 98% of the worlds scientists on board....

Blunt force trauma is the only way to deal with conservative ideology.
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#312419 - 06/01/19 04:32 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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I didn't mean honest marketing - that never works. I mean good ol' fashioned right wing salesmanship!
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#312420 - 06/01/19 05:32 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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I mean good ol' fashioned right wing salesmanship!


You mean lying? Democrats are bad at it.
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#312421 - 06/01/19 06:53 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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I mean good ol' fashioned right wing salesmanship!


You mean lying? Democrats are bad at it.


A conscience is a terrible hindrance when it comes to top flight marketing.. eek
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#312446 - 06/04/19 01:51 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw


I just saw a report on a poll where the question was asked "would you vote for a socialist" - seems that only 40% of the electorate would even vaguely vote for such.




Wow! 40%!

What a difference a few decades can make. Imagine what the number may do when the majority of people could actually hear and learn what Democratic Socialism might mean for their lives....

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#312449 - 06/04/19 09:15 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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I think post-Trump, candidate promises are going to be worth a bucket of warm spit.

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#312466 - 06/06/19 05:37 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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Its so unfortunate. The Republicans are VERY good at controlling their language and usually speak with one voice when using certain words. They have been able to, for instance, to use "socialism", "tarriff", etc. to their benefit and also the denigration of the other side. On top of that this ability also shows that they are united and everybody knows what they stand for, especially their supporter base. Then we have the Dems. What everybody seems to understand is that the Dems actually don't really have stuff that they stand for. For instance, the Dems should use, with one voice, to call "Tarriffs", "TAXES!" - This one is so simple yet, for the Dems just a bother. I heard one guy suggest that Trump should have a name, one single name that all those against Trump, can use (to display agreement as well as a descriptive to label with. He suggested "Un-indicted Donald". The fact that the word doesn't matter so much as everybody using it. I doubt, very much, that those against Trump could sit down and actually agree on the color of the sky. In other words - words matter.

When the Dems have speakers, then they should listen instead of screaming at the speaker. That kind of behavior simple sends the same old message, ie. Dems stand for NOTHING! In a war, between an organized army and a bunch of idiots which can't agree on the time of day the army wins every time. I suspect the answer might be for somebody to address the crowd and point out that they should have come to listen, if not they should leave. We now have, for instance, Universities picking and choosing speakers that appeal to the loudest segment. All in all, right now, the Dems continue to demonstrate their inability to behave, act civilized or define themselves. What they probably need is a talking to, before anybody speaks, pointing out that public demonstrations of Democratic Anarchy is not a real good face to present to the public!

The Secret is to understand that the Left/Democrats have a large tent, and should understand that their best option is to not wash their dirty laundry in public with quite so much vigor. I thought that the large group of them trying to be president, would be a good thing and everybody could present what they stand for and why. Now, however, if some small group doesn't agree they refuse to allow free speech. If they lose to the Right/Republicans, in 2020 its on them. All they will prove, in the end, is that they have all the capacity, and manners, of a spoiled 12 year old.

So, if they really are determined to give Trump a second time around, they should just keep it up...........

I know - more wishful thinking...............

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#312467 - 06/06/19 05:48 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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Will Rodgers said it well back before 1935: "No, I'm not a member of an organized political party—I'm a Democrat."

He also said: "Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they'd be Republicans."

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#312471 - 06/06/19 06:20 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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This is, exactly, why they are likely to lose the next election. Apparently Trump is not enough reason to join arms and fix that problem. On the face of it the loud extremists are determined to not have their way in this regard and then blame it on the 'centrists'. Hell, they can't even manage to call "tarriffs" "TAX"! Their main noise seems to be anti just about everything with little meat on that bone.

Its fine to be able to disagree but the current crop just don't want to disagree they want to have a battle.

Right now its all about Pelosi and Impeachment. I too think there should be an impeachment but, lacking enough investigatory product to either convince, or shame, the Republicans, and the 2020 election about 1.5 years from now its probably too early to do that. Impeachment, without any Republican support means that Trump will remain. I suspect the wiser course is to hold back so that Impeachment is much closer to election so what the Dems have will be getting more exposure and that the Republican Senators will be forced to explain their stance to the electorate. If the Dems can hold the house, and win the senate then .............

Oh, the other leg would be to present smart candidates that can do the job of winning their elections.

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#312475 - 06/06/19 09:25 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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I have no idea what Democrats stand for anymore. Democratic Socialists want to see higher wages, cheaper education, better jobs, guaranteed health insurance. They want to see global climate change addressed, they want environmental regulation, legal weed, immigration reform, and more taxation of wealth. Clean energy, prison reform, faster internet for rural subscribers and free beer. Sensible gun control and sensible abortion laws. They'd like to see Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid all expanded and funded like they are more important than our military....because they are. We should have armies of statesmen and diplomats making deals hand over fist and making sure that war never happens again.

It's very odd how they seem to want pretty much the same sh*t as I do.
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