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#312524 - 06/11/19 03:44 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Any Republican who still believes in facts and science is admitting the climate is changing, and making plans for it. Trump fans who are just a continuation of the Bush people who thought they could manufacture their own reality, not so much. I predict a lot of disappointed wishful thinkers.

The Pentagon seems to be making reality-based plans.

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#312528 - 06/11/19 03:37 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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The Pentagon seems to be making reality-based plans.


War is a facts and figures business. Business is a facts and figures business too. Insurance companies can put exact price tags on the costs of global warming. Eventually the market will insist that the government take action.

Which is to say...right now Our Corporate Overlords™ are preventing much government action on climate mitigation because there are still profits to be made. When climate mitigation is required to maintain profits then climate mitigation will occur.

Politics isn't based on facts and figures. The winners of our elections aren't necessarily the ones with the most votes...
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#312534 - 06/12/19 10:36 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
chunkstyle Offline
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To bolster Gregor's point:
Florida's property bubble

Say......
Didn't the Democrats appoint some Tampa rep as the GND committee chair? The same rep who's biggest contributors are in the real estate sector?

Gosh, I hope the GND won't get parlayed into coastal property wealth protection. What a missed opportunity that would be...

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#312541 - 06/13/19 06:17 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I foresee a huge market for a service that picks your house up with a crane, and puts some pilings or concrete block walls underneath. I think that would be a real winner in Florida. It's basically the house moving business, but up instead of relocation. It's actually easier, since they don't have to move it down the highway.

Maybe this has to happen after the houses get flooded, just to get the finances right. somebody could make billions buying up flooded houses and rehabbing them. Shame though if they can't do it before the flooding.

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#312542 - 06/13/19 09:19 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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House jacking is extremely expensive and labor intensive. Houses aren't built to be picked up and set down like egg cartons. Lots of cribbing and shoring. My guess is we will see the historical norm of abandonment and exodus with exploitation of victims up and down the line.
It's hilarious in one sense. All that money laundering in real estate investment going on in south Florida right now. All that money swindled out of foreign countries being invested in structures built on shorelines and barrier islands that have no long term prospects. It would be funny if it was only happening to these rich swindlers. As usual, it will be hardest hit among the majority of poor and working class.
There's a metaphor for capitalism in there somewhere.


Edited by chunkstyle (06/13/19 09:25 AM)

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#312548 - 06/13/19 06:25 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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You forgot the federal flood insurance scam. Our tax dollars have been going to literally rebuild waterfrontsummer cottages for the rich for years. There have been some that have actually been rebuilt every year. They were supposed to deny insurance to folks on flood plains, waterfronts likely to be hurricaned, etc. But that never happened.

Here is a link to one of many replies if you google somthing like: "federal flood insurance rebuild"
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/11/28/510202.htm

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#312556 - 06/14/19 12:33 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Heck JGW, the amount of swindles are too numerous to keep a thread coherent. But, yeah, I'm with you on regulatory capture. It's only accelerated in the last few election cycles.

Weather it's big Mo getting it's man appointed as agency head or big Mo writing the laws. It's all we hear from these days and seems to be the only one getting it's interests served.

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#312561 - 06/15/19 12:43 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I heard an interview of Bernie on NPR today. Seemed very reasonable. I think he would do a good job, with a little congressional cooperation.

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#312562 - 06/15/19 03:51 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
Gregor Offline
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Unlike a bunch of other wishy washy candidates Bernie is pretty clear on what he wants and how he plans to achieve it.

Bernie has a problem with women's issues. You're asking him to divide people by sex. Bernie doesn't divide people up into categories, They're all people, they all have the same rights.

Same with racial issues...Bernie doesn't think like that.

He'd be a fabulous president. But Joe Biden has been annointed by the party.

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#312564 - 06/15/19 05:55 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I really liked the fact that he kept on coming back to FDR and the government programs people like, which were all loudly dismissed as socialism by conservatives at the time. It's rather like Trump's populist promises, but not fake. On the other hand, he's laid down the glove and taking on Big Health Insurance and Big Pharma. They will spend billions to defeat him.

I tend to agree with Beto: Electing Joe would be a step backwards. But that may appeal to Obama voters who voted for Trump.

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