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#327962 - 08/13/20 08:04 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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...It anticipates "men of honor" occupying offices of responsibility...

That would leave any conservative out of running. coffee
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#327964 - 08/13/20 09:07 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think it's time for a new impeachment hearing...

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#327966 - 08/13/20 10:10 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I think it's time for a new impeachment hearing...


For impeachment to succeed, in rough numbers, you need at least 60% of all Americans in favor of it, 30% of the party of the president to be impeached also in favor of impeachment along with 55% of independents.

These are the numbers on Nixon 2 days prior to his resignation. The numbers for Clinton's and Trump's impeachments never came close. Both failed.

Besides, the country is in no mood for another impeachment trial. If the country wants Trump gone, November will do nicely.
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#327967 - 08/13/20 11:12 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Fatboy is doing it again - he's now saying that Kamala is ineligible to be POTUS because both of her parents were foreign born. mad

What does Fatboy hate black Americans so much?
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#327968 - 08/14/20 12:16 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Harris was born in Oakland California and under the 14th amendment, that is enough. But accusing a political opponent being either foreign born or ineligible for the presidency isn't new.

There was a lawsuit filed and then withdrawn against Goldwater in 1964. He was born in the Arizona territory prior to Arizona becoming a state.

In 1968, George Romney, Mitt's father was accused to being ineligible to become president because he was born in Mexico. Both his parents were American citizens and were on a mission to Mexico for the Mormon Church. Nothing came of it since Romney failed to win the nomination.

John McCain was born in Panama, his parent were there on official United States military duty. There was talk about McCain also being being ineligible for the presidency being born outside of the U.S.

Remember Ted Cruz, born in Canada, he too was accused of being ineligible because of that.

Of course let's not forget the accusations against Obama for being born in Nigeria when he was born in Hawaii. Speaking of that, Chester A. Arthur was accused of being born in Canada, not Vermont in 1880. Add Charles Evans Hughes to the list, Hughes being accused of being born in Wales, he was born in New York State. Hughes challenged Wilson in 1916.

Now Harris is a first, no one is saying she was foreign born like all the others. She's ineligible just because both parents were foreign born. But this accusation of being ineligible can be traced all the way back to 1880.
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#327971 - 08/14/20 01:43 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I think it's time for a new impeachment hearing...


This congress shot their wad prematurely and then went limp.

If Democrats take the senate and keep the house but Trump gets re-elected in a contested election then the next congress might have another chance at impeachment. We'd have to be living in some sort of Bizarro World for that to happen though....oh...wait...
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#327972 - 08/14/20 01:55 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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Claiming that the American born daughter of a Jamaican and an Indian national is ineligible is an entirely new thing though! All the others have been old racist white men. Except Obama of course. He's only half white.
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#327973 - 08/14/20 03:29 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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If the trend holds the Democrats should have a net gain of 5-8 seats. Arizona, Iowa, Maine, Colorado, North Carolina are all either leaning or fairly solid Democrat. Montana, the 2 Georgia seats are close to 50-50 although leaning slightly Republican. Alabama is going to revert to the Republicans.

Even in the best case scenario the Democratic majority would be 54-46. You still need 67 votes for impeachment and removal. Which means at a minimum you still need 13 Republicans to join in to vote guilty and for removal. That a lot less than the 21 the Democrats needed last time.

You're not going to get them unless around 60% of all Americans favor impeachment and removal along with 30% of Republicans and 55% of independents. Public pressure has to be there. The problem with the Democrats last try was towards the end it began to look more like a political vendetta, revenge for losing an election.

The Democrats never had 50% of all Americans favoring impeachment, at their highest, only 17% of republicans favored impeachment which dropped down to 11% as the trial came to an end. Independents also dropped from 48% in favor in Nov down to 41% at the end. Far from the 60-30-55 needed to be successful.

The Democrats did a horrible job at convincing the people Trump committed an impeachable offense. A break in and cover up was easy to convince the people, they understood that. Lying to congress, obstruction of Justice, not so easy. Heck, congress lies to us everyday.

All one had to do was look at the numbers at the start to know impeachment didn't stand a snowball's chance in Hades of succeeding. I said so on another site and was pillared by Democrats for stating so. All I was doing was going by the numbers and stating what the numbers said. But that wasn't what they wanted to hear. I called it all a waste of time, energy and money. I still stand by that. Just like Bill Clinton's impeachment and trial was a waste of time, energy and money. Neither had a chance of success.


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#327974 - 08/14/20 04:50 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Fatboy is doing it again - now Kamala is ineligible to be POTUS because both of her parents were foreign born. mad

What does Fatboy hate black Americans so much?
I knew that was going to happen. he can't keep his racism and xenophobia in check.

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#327975 - 08/14/20 05:11 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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The problem with the Democrats last try was towards the end it began to look more like a political vendetta, revenge for losing an election.


A major GOP and Fox News talking point. No Democrats actually felt that way. It was a lot more about Mueller's several instances of Obstruction of Justice, that he (a Republican, no less) said Congress could hold Trump accountable for. But Pelosi did not want to charge him with something he can be criminally indicted for next year.

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