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#312550 - 06/13/19 09:33 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
That's all well and good. As long as you don't do anything un-American like raising taxes or helping poor people.

Really. It's not so much lefties calling themselves socialists as the righties calling them socialists.


I think most of us understand that the Right is controlling the public perception of Left messaging but they're doing it well, and doing it with a tightly controlled scheme reminiscent of advertising between competing brands. They have top flight PR people, neuro-linguistics experts and propaganda masters. We have a bunch of people in pink pussy hats running around being offended...BY EVERYTHING.

The point is, they do the Rope-A-Dope very well, and so should we.
We should do it better. And we ain't.

By the way, did you see Jon Stewart's impassioned speech to the House the other day? I almost broke my "no celeb president" pledge.
It was so great to hear integrity that I damn near wanted to yell "Jon Stewart for Prezzy-dint!" at the top of my lungs.
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#312551 - 06/14/19 01:00 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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more please....


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#312553 - 06/14/19 05:33 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
more please....



Excellent speech, very well done.
But notice, he invoked FDR throughout, even calling for New Deal 2.0 to confront what he termed FDR's "unfinished work".
No, he did not use our cute little term "Americanism" but he defined "democratic socialism" as being akin to the New Deal.
Yes it was, but by correctly siding with the FDR historical account of it, he's teaching people that the New Deal was American style socialism.

Guess what? I'm just as okay with that as I am with trying a different brand name for marketing purposes. Just keep punching that one main point:
"Socialism American Style means a return to the values of FDR."

Keep pounding that, over and over again, say it loud, say it proud, make people remember that we're about FDR, not "VENEZUELA".
Say it and repeat it until it drowns out the Republican red baiting and fearmongering.

But it has to be done on a mass scale, it has to be repeated the same way that Republicans repeat their gigantic revisionist lies. Beat their lies with the truth, with the historical account.
Beat the Republicans over the head with it till they turn black and blue.

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#312554 - 06/14/19 12:06 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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He was good at giving shoutouts to his base early. Identifying who his constituents are.
It looks to me like he's got a good ground game. He's going up against the corporations team. The way this plays out should be revelatory of where the true interests of the Democratic party lie.

Jeff: I know right! I can't recall any democratic presidential candidate invoking the name of FDR in my recent memory. Not to make him such a center piece of your campaigns strategy. Recognizing and addressing the mass of peoples material concerns. Going even further and identifying it's enemy, oligarchy, to boot.
S'funny how that's been absent for so long now in club Dem.


Edited by chunkstyle (06/14/19 12:06 PM)

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#312568 - 06/15/19 07:22 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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If he was to run, as a Democrat, he would be the first to do that while not being a member of the Democratic Party. When asked about this his replies were a bit sketchy and went something like; "because that is not how I ran", etc. Makes no sense at all. If he doesn't want to run as a Democrat then he should run as something else. Instead he has chosen to be yet another devisive candidate. In 2016 his 'wing' voted for Trump! If Bernie doesn't win the nomination of the party he is not a member of, has not helped, does not like, etc. then I fully expect him to take his true believers and vote for Trump instead. I am basing this on his history. It is, incidentally, easy to be a Democrat - just sign up! (register as a Democrat)

This is, incidentally, just something else I simply do not understand. He doesn't like the Democrats, doesn't like, apparently, the Socialist party (although he claims to be a socialist), doesn't really, as far as I can tell, ANY political party, then .......?

(plus he is simply to damned old!)

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#312572 - 06/15/19 08:47 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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In 2016 his 'wing' voted for Trump!


No, they did not. Bernie's 'wing' was the lefties and I assure you none of them voted for Trump. Some abstained or voted third party. Most just bit the bullet and voted for Clinton. She won by 3 Million votes you know...

Due to my generally leftist views I could have joined the Bernie-Bros. But I honestly liked Hillary Clinton. Still do.
She's a leftie at heart with strong ties to internotional power brokers and billionaire purse strings.

She's a woman who can get things done.

I've still got doubts about whether Bernie would really be able to accomplish any of his agenda without a complicit congress. A scenario that somehow seems unlikely.
However, whoever(whomever?)...whatever...The next president's biggest challenge will be re-assembling a US Government shattered into a million pieces.
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#312574 - 06/15/19 09:38 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Uh oh...
JGW got the lid out on the game of politricks and is gunna find the rules that say Sanders can't be a candidate in the Democratic primary.

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#312575 - 06/15/19 10:47 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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Bernie's too much of a democrat to be a Democrat!
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#312583 - 06/16/19 07:56 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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"got the lid out"?

I don't think either party can do anything about somebody running under their banners although Bernie is, as far as I am concerned, pushing it.

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#312589 - 06/17/19 12:58 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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Yeah. The lid. The one that says Bernie's not a democrat or Manchin is one, etc.

The same lid these sad politico's keep trying to find something that makes Trump disqualified to be president.

All that petty bureaucratic insider rational that keep the lid on who gets what. Who gets to run where and how the money gets divided that's kept such a worthless group of old boomers dry humping the last dollar out of their constituents and campaign donors.

The reason we have no socialist progressive agenda's anymore is because there are no socialist progressives in office. Or hardly any. The ones who are are doing tremendous work.

Did I mention there's a black listing of any and all campaign shops of any future democratic party work if they take part in any campaign work that challenges a sitting Democrat?

"The DCCC's new policy applies to both swing districts, which paved the path to the Democrats' current House majority, and deeply Democratic districts, like those Ocasio-Cortez and Pressley represent. Critics argue that the policy is a transparent attempt to squash candidates who threaten the party's status quo."

How to sell out while punching left

The work of any progress gets brought down and gutted by the democratic party leadership. For a fee.

'Gas, ass or grass. No one rides for free'....

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