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#312489 - 06/09/19 03:41 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: pondering_it_all]
Greger Offline

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She's a savvy old broad. She knows impeachment is a bad idea.
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#312495 - 06/09/19 06:59 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
jgw Offline
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She thinks that they can nail Trump with enough bad to make him unelectable. The trouble with this is actually getting the bad. If they start a impeachment investigation all bets seem to come off and they are entitled to get whatever they damn well please. If there is a problem there are those that say that they can take it directly to the Supreme court. This would setting two things right off the bat. The first would be the determination by many that the supremes are now bought and paid for. I don't believe that but its really time to find out! The second thing is that things will not be in the courts for years. The supremes could refer it to a lower court which, hopefully would render judgment and bump it back up.

Remember, there have been 2 Trump episodes when he thought it was all over. The first was the appointment of Mueller (forget the other). My point is that it would seem that Trump is well aware that he is screwed if facts become known. There is already a vaste store of probably claims of his wrong doings and they need to be discovered. An impeachent investigations would, in theory, make that process a LOT easier?

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#312498 - 06/09/19 09:25 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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The option you seem to keep skipping is the one where Trump is actually guilty of no crimes. And he knows he is guilty of no crimes.

I'm not really sure what crimes he's been accused of? The federal government already has his tax records. IRS hasn't sent goons to lock him up for evasion or anything....and he's been under audit for years.

Russia tried to tamper but Trump didn't take the bait. He sent lackeys to meet them.

Has money been laundered through his businesses? Probably. Was he aware of it...? Prove it.

He borrowed from banks that gave him the best rates. Those were often foriegn banks. IRS probably has all that info too...Any reason to make it public? Nope. It's nobody's business but his.

And it's all a hoax. Trump keeps all eyes on him while the treasury is being looted and government offices ransacked. He has been vetted seven ways from Sunday and has survived it all.

They shouldn't need to search for crimes. He's a horrible president, he has damaged himself with his behavior more than Democratic harpy-like shrieking could ever accomplish.

But because of Democratic harpy-like shrieking he's got a fair chance of being re-elected.

Well...that and Joe Biden being the worst candidate in the history of politics.
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#312505 - 06/10/19 04:33 AM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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I think he's skipping over it because it simply doesn't exist. Trump tried to interfere with the FBI and Mueller's investigation of Flynn. There is absolutely no doubt about that. It's right there in the Mueller Report. Flynn did plead guilty to several crimes and is going to jail for them. Trump's actions constitute Obstruction of Justice, which IS a crime that people go to prison for. Saying Trump committed no crime is delusional.

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#312538 - 06/12/19 05:20 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
jgw Offline
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Gregor - you may be right. Nobody will know unless the house investigations bear fruit. To do that they need information and they have been denied that. They seem to be working for a solution to that. With luck investigations will bear fruit. Remember, even Trump thought he was done when Mueller was assigned. We still have the Mueller plan/report. Trump continues to fight like hell to stop anybody getting info. I choose to believe the dam will break and stuff will be found. This would mean that Trump is a lot smarter than I think (every teacher who has ever taught him, and spoke how smart they thought he was, replied that he was a walking stump).

Apparently, if they move on, at least, an impeachment investigation, then presidential privilege can be breached. We will see.

Anyway, wishful thinking is sometimes good, it keeps hope alive.

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#312576 - 06/15/19 10:53 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
Gregor Offline
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Registered: 09/30/16
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The obstruction charge isn't gonna fly this time.

If that's all they got the game is over. Show me some tax evasion or wonky real estate deals. Money laundering, human trafficking,jaywalking...anything...but forget about the obstruction charge.
It's going nowhere.

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#312584 - 06/16/19 08:00 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: Gregor]
jgw Offline
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I continue to think there is a lot more about Trump to find. We already know that he does not pay his bills. Now, I hear, when he wants to have one of his things he has to pay up front because he is in debt to other places for something like 7 million dollars.

There is also the scam he has been running, worldwide, and described in cnn's "Trump family business". This guy is a criminal, pure and simple. Once the house actually starts to use powers given in constitution I think he will be done.

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#312624 - 06/20/19 04:16 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
jgw Offline
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Yesterday the Democrats demonstrated that they are not willing, basically, to work with any of them damned Republicans. It started with Biden trying to explain that, when in congress, or president, you must actually deal with the other side to get it done. This means that the job is to legislate in the interest of the voting public and the nation. So, you work with anybody who will help, irregardless of the beliefs, politics, morals, and party of the opposition. This is the way, I think, that our system was setup. Both sides, working together, finding a middle ground and acting on that middle ground, ie. work with anybody you can.

Now the Democratic purists, currently, apparently, being led by Cory Booker, who has made it crystal clear that he refuses to work with any Damned Republican because they do not believe as he does and it offends him. The rest of the Democratic purists lined right up behind him, all beating their breast and claiming that the light of good is in their corner and they will not budge on this business of collaboration with the enemy. Before this WE all claimed to be for working with the other side but that rabbit has now fled the hat. One can only wonder what they will come up with next (although some of the currently favored stuff is just not gonna happen (I won't list them so as to keep any true believers from blowing a gasket).

My point is that this is, I think, the opening salvo, by the Democratic purists, to make absolutely sure Trump gets another 4 years!

Oh, to beat a dead horse, the house Democrats, being unwilling to use the power the constitution grants, and determined to make sure the public never sees them in operation, has also decided that any and all testimony (when they actually are able to beg somebody to show up) be behind closed doors, and then whine a lot about what happened, ie. they got snookered again by the dear leader of the opposition and nation because they let him but they are going to do something about that (they have been doing that for a month or more).

So, basically, the Dems have decided to hold hearings in secret and never dance with the opposition, no matter how important the matter, as they are all evil.

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#312625 - 06/20/19 07:18 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 1626
A little to the right....
A little more....
Just a little more...

s'more....

once more...

almost there.....

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#312627 - 06/20/19 08:17 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: chunkstyle]
jgw Offline
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Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 2556
Loc: Port Angeles, WA
I surrender. True believers and purists are just not my cup of tea.

Bye..................

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