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#312591 - 06/17/19 06:02 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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Ahhhhhhhhh! So, Bernie is really a democrat even though even he says he is not.

I have decided that I simply do not understand what you are talking about. This is, obviously, my problem and not yours. I think you are saying that there is a small group of conspirators that run the Democratic party for their own ends. I like a good conspiracy as well as anybody but ...........

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#312592 - 06/17/19 08:11 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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I could be just saying what I've said, JGW.

It seems simple enough but for some....

But basically I responded to your extreme obtuse notion that there is no way a party could really stop someone from running who really wanted to.

How quaint you are or try to be.

The flip side to economic blockade for progressives


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#312593 - 06/17/19 08:39 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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I have decided that I simply do not understand what you are talking about.


We figured that out.

But don't worry, we'll keep trying to explain it.

Maybe you'll catch on one day. Democrats that don't want what Bernie wants aren't really Democrats.

Except in the spineless jellyfish sense that we've all come to know and love about the Democratic Party.

You always want the Dems to stand up for themselves, they don't, because spineless jellyfish can't stand up

Bernie stands up and puts it right out in the open.

The rich are too rich, the poor are too poor, and it's time we do something about it. You either support that or you don't.

Are you a bougie or are you a prole?
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#312595 - 06/17/19 09:31 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: ]
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Are you a bougie or are you a prole?


Not the real problem. The income inequality that's destroying us is the 1% versus everybody else. The Middle Class has been hollowed out. The economy works much better when there is a vibrant Middle Class with enough money to spend. The working class takes part in that economy.

The other side of income distribution matters too: The poorest of the poor, like homeless people and the mentally ill wandering the streets. We can't have a decent place to live with the streets filled with beggars.

You would think all the Christians in this country would see "the least of these my brothers" as a golden opportunity for salvation (see Matthew 25), but I guess most of them are not really Christians after all.

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#312601 - 06/18/19 01:53 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: ]
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Underscoring your point, Gregor, is a nice follow up peice of the Sanders speech last week, on what is Democratic Socialism for him, by Matt Taibbi over at the Stone:

"In an odd way, Sanders defines his campaign by the negativity it attracts. Other campaigns that might talk the talk on issues like climate change can’t be taken seriously, Bernie Sanders tells me in a phone call from Washington, D.C., unless they “frontally confront the fossil fuel industry.” If you’re not “embattled,” you’re not real. In this vein he derides the “middle ground” platform of someone like current frontrunner Joe Biden, which Sanders says “antagonizes no one, stands up to no one, and changes nothing.”

Full article



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#312606 - 06/18/19 01:48 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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“antagonizes no one, stands up to no one, and changes nothing.”

The Democratic Party in a nutshell.
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#312607 - 06/18/19 02:00 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
[quote]Are you a bougie or are you a prole?


Not the real problem. The income inequality that's destroying us is the 1% versus everybody else.


The income inequality is a bougie creation. They are, after all, the 1%. The rest of the country is going deeply into debt trying to live the bougie lifestyle and keep up with the Kardashians...
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#312623 - 06/20/19 12:11 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: ]
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“Republicans do not believe in socialism, we believe in freedom, and so do you,” he claimed, adding, “We will defend Medicare and Social Security for our great seniors.”
King Kon, Moron-in-Chief
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#312636 - 06/21/19 06:31 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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Not an uncommon set of misinformation. Somebody needs to make it clear: Social Security IS socialist. Medicare IS socialist. Old-time Republicans were right. But the American people love them, and anybody who wants to get rid of them is not going to get reelected, if that's in their platform.

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#312637 - 06/21/19 12:59 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Thanks to Hal Brown and his blog:

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“All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian.”
- Pat Paulsen, presidential candidate
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