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#312662 - 06/24/19 10:19 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I'm not alone in expressing refusal to vote for that guy.

No, you certainly aren't. Just because I liked Clinton doesn't mean I have to like Joe.

Do I think it's a good idea to replace Trump with a terrible Democrat? Just because he's a Democrat?

Do I think that Joe Biden would be a better president than Trump? Not necessarily. He's a bumbling inept fool.

Likely a one term president because he's older than dirt and because he'd be an utter failure as a president, prompting the election of another Republican in 2024.

I'd rather see Trump go ahead and destroy the economy in his second term and the Republican Party along with it.

Pretty nearly any candidate besides Biden would be okay with me. I'm hoping those sensible folks up in Iowa will see it more or less the way I see it. It's up to the primary voters but the way I see it Biden is as big a fraud as Trump.

I won't vote for him.
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#312664 - 06/24/19 11:48 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Online   happy

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Just remember folks, we're also voting for Congress and we HAVE to get rid of Mitch McConnell and the Republican Senate Majority.
If we fail, it won't matter if we win POTUS or not.
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#312665 - 06/25/19 03:55 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Actually, Biden with a Democratic Senate and House would not be that bad. He would get some qualified advisers and actually listen to them, so he would not be wrecking everything he touches. He would also probably sign anything congress sent him. Not inspiring leadership, but not disasterous either. And as lame as he is, I think he probably understands that Putin and Kim are not out best buddies.

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#312674 - 06/25/19 11:53 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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In any case, I don't think we can personally afford to sit back and watch Trump in what his supporters call "payback mode" for another four years.

Bannon: Trump will be in payback mode if he wins in 2020

If anyone else can afford it, good for them but I think most of us can't.
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#312676 - 06/26/19 02:46 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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What, Like Obama?
Would Biden get more third way types that want to kneecap progressives for conservatives like Rahm Emanual gleefully did?
Geitner 'foaming the runway' for his fellow white collar banking grifters while millions lost their homes?

Yes. Please.

I'm of the opinion that the Democratic party needs to be destroyed. There will be no chance for progressives to have a shot at the controls until centrists prove themselves utterly impotent and ineffective to the economic/ political realities they have divorced themselves from for most Americans.

The gift of distraction from Mueller and the Russian hysteria has allowed the neoliberals to largely escape any meaningful critique.

Hopefully, Joe Biden will be the rope for the party to hang themselves with.

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#312679 - 06/26/19 03:50 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Hopefully someone will take away his undeserved lead in the polls because I see exactly what you do and it's not a scenario I want to contemplate. Biden will be a disaster.

I'd rather see the party reformed than destroyed.
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#312681 - 06/26/19 12:16 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Our economic, military and political realities today are nothing I wanted to contemplate but here we are.

At a certain point you realize that there is no salvaging of the democratic party. Having become, as one writer put it, 'one of two factions of the corporate wing'.

For every hopeful green shoot that appears the power structures within the party weed it out to maintain their grip.
When the progressive left decided to ask how come there are so many conservative, corporate stooges, like Lipinski or Manchin, in what had been or still is heavily democratic districts and focus their upcoming efforts on those seats instead of trying to flip red to blue districts, club Dem had an answer. No primary challenges will be tolerated!

What I hate about these party hacks is that there records suck! Yet here we are being admonished to vote for the sake of whatever they got.

Already, tarps are being removed from the hectoring horns. The very soul of the nation is at stake and you will be responsible for the end of the great American experiment and all the promise it held if you sit out or vote third party in the coming election.

I can hear the cries of 'IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!!!' now.

On the flip side the recognition that there is no route to reform within the party may very well lead to alternatives being established. Already, there are alternative funding sources now established to deal with the frat boys hoarding all the campaign money for them and their ilk.

I suspect that blockading progressives from hiring campaign shops will result in alternative campaign shops, outside the influence of the DNC, to be formed.

Ditto with the media's near blackout of left wing commentators or arguments getting aired.

This may be the silver lining and start of something better than what the Democrats represent now.


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#312682 - 06/26/19 02:22 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I don't see how this could have happenned last night without these alternative support structures:

Caban for the win!

Caban would have had her knees broke by Emanual before 2016, I would confidently guess.



Edited by chunkstyle (06/26/19 02:24 PM)

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#312683 - 06/26/19 03:15 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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"But this election has ramifications beyond the reform movement, and beyond Queens. As others have pointed out, the Democratic establishment in New York and Washington was shocked by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s upset victory over Crowley last year; for much of the campaign, Crowley didn’t even bother to show his face. That was not true this time; the establishment aggressively backed Katz—the whole Queens congressional delegation endorsed her, except for Ocasio-Cortez—but it wasn’t enough to beat Cabán, who had an army of small donors behind her."

A more nuanced view

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#312699 - 06/27/19 03:20 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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It's encouraging to see, but I'm not gonna read too much into it. She was the better candidate and it was a lot of the same voters who sent AOC to Washington. A lot of people are sick of the Democratic machine and its kowtowing to corporate interests, but not enough to make a difference nationwide yet.
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