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#312725 - 06/30/19 02:06 PM
Re: Supreme Court vs. The People
[Re: NW Ponderer]
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enthusiast
Registered: 10/02/07
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Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Similar to the hyperventilating going on with the 'Russia Meddling' (T.M.) would somebody please explain how this changes anything? The candidate nominating process, particularly in the Democratic party, is just as rigged as far as I can tell, but here it goes again. A strange indignation that has time for party rivalries and competition but none for candidate selections.
Looks like a contradiction. Smells like hypocrisy.
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#312728 - 06/30/19 04:30 PM
Re: Supreme Court vs. The People
[Re: chunkstyle]
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Looks like a contradiction. Smells like hypocrisy. A Jaundice Eye?
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#312729 - 06/30/19 05:21 PM
Re: Supreme Court vs. The People
[Re: NW Ponderer]
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Registered: 10/02/07
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What exactly is being argued about with this latest supposed indignation.
Who is the aggrieved and why is it only focused on this particular aspect of a spectrum of undemocratic practices.....
What's the fuss about really?
Just asking.
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#312731 - 06/30/19 09:19 PM
Re: Supreme Court vs. The People
[Re: chunkstyle]
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What exactly is being argued about with this latest supposed indignation.
Who is the aggrieved and why is it only focused on this particular aspect of a spectrum of undemocratic practices.....
What's the fuss about really?
Just asking. I have a hard time believing you are serious here. Who are aggrieved here are the voters, of all stripes, whose choice and voting power is being removed by partisan actors. You do recognize how gerrymandering works, right? Your complaints about political party workings are inapposite. What is relevant is the ability of any party to effectively eliminate democratic elections. Put it this way: until there is a massive political shift in any particular jurisdiction, the currently dominant party (primarily Republican), even in the electoral minority, can entrench their candidates in office without meaningful recourse by their electorate. Fewer than half the States allow citizen initiatives, and even fewer for constitutional amendment. North Carolina is virtually a 50-50 State, yet its delegation is 10-3 because of gerrymandering. That cannot change so long as the citizenry cannot change the makeup of the legislature. In the best scenario such change will be incremental - a seat here or there - but not wholesale. It will require a sea change politically, and that may not occur in our lifetimes, or our children's.
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#312734 - 07/01/19 02:15 PM
Re: Supreme Court vs. The People
[Re: NW Ponderer]
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enthusiast
Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 2675
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Why not. Really, whats the difference with voters being disenfranchised, if that is what were talking about here? This is Amerika where the political history is voter disenfranchisement. You think it's not been happening on the left for years? Sure, gerrymandering will work it's way into politics in a myriad of ways but it's the same ol' same ol' for the currently disenfranchised.
Edited by chunkstyle (07/01/19 02:19 PM)
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#312735 - 07/01/19 02:30 PM
Re: Supreme Court vs. The People
[Re: NW Ponderer]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 11/24/06
Posts: 17696
Loc: Florida
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Who are aggrieved here are the voters, of all stripes, whose choice and voting power is being removed by partisan actors.
As they have ever been aggrieved by wealthy partisans in smoke filled rooms rigging things in their own favor. There is nothing new or surprising about this decision, especially in this politically charged and partisan era. We will rise above Trump as the Germans have risen above Hitler. Unfortunately we will witness a lot more atrocities before some semblance of justice prevails.
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#312763 - 07/04/19 03:01 PM
Re: Supreme Court vs. The People
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State Governors Republican 27-23 State Senates Republican 32-18 State Houses Republican 30-19-1 If you have a Democratic majority in a state, you can get new district lines drawn to favor Democrats. And to get a Democratic majority elected in a state So if pigs can fly ... While this may appear to be simple to turn around, I suspect the real problem is deep seated and requires at least 3 generations of education to eliminate ignorance and it's corollary bigotry. Take your statement and replace "Democrat" with "Republican". This will not be easy nor simple.
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#312766 - 07/04/19 04:05 PM
Re: Supreme Court vs. The People
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veteran
Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 10874
Loc: North San Diego County
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Take your statement and replace "Democrat" with "Republican". Republicans have already been doing this for decades. Actually, both Parties did it for decades, until Democrats decided they were too noble to gerrymander several years back. And look at the result. In politics nobility is nice, but you have to actually win to make any changes.
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