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#312865 - 07/13/19 04:47 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Greger]
chunkstyle Offline
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Yeah, they're two cheeks on the same a$$, as far as I'm concerned.

I see the Democratic party thru my lens, others see it thru theirs.

I have been very open about what politics is, for me. I've never hid it.

If other's want to engage in 'were not as bad as Republicans' then I say 'good luck with that in 2020' and let the debate begin.

What annoys me is someone acting like a cop policing what is allowed to be discussed and how.



Peace


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#312866 - 07/13/19 04:49 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
How about we agree on this Jeff.

I'll continue to b!tch about how lame, worthless and spineless the Democratic party is and has been. It shouldn't be long before another opportunity comes along. Border security funding without safeguards for children comes to mind but there's sure to be more.

You can be the official apologist and defender by pointing out how they don't suck as much as republicans or criticize me and my motives.

Does that about describe the current situation we find ourselves in?


And now you want to make me an apologist and defender, because pragmatism offends you. Brilliant move.
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#312867 - 07/13/19 04:50 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

What annoys me is someone acting like a cop policing what is allowed to be discussed and how.



Peace


Now I'm a cop?
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#312868 - 07/13/19 05:34 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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From what I can tell, Jeff, you're saying I'm in violation of something called 'whataboutism'.

I've been careful and sophisticated but I'm still doing whataboutism.

Whataboutism is something you should not do apparently. Or I'm doing it the wrong way maybe?


Like I said, this conversation will get soul sucking.

Someone funny I was listening to made the joke that at some point Nancy and Chuck will be making the argument over how they scored a progressive victory over Republicans cuz they got them to use the good Zyclon gas on refugees instead of the longer slower bad Zyclon gas.
Sure, It'll cost more but that's what doing the right thing sometimes take. Were Democrats and we do the right thing even if it costs a little more.

'Whataboutism'?


Edited by chunkstyle (07/13/19 07:18 PM)

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#312871 - 07/13/19 07:45 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
From what I can tell, Jeff, you're saying I'm in violation of something called 'whataboutism'.

I've been careful and sophisticated but I'm still doing whataboutism.

Whataboutism is something you should not do apparently. Or I'm doing it the wrong way maybe?


Like I said, this conversation will get soul sucking.

Someone funny I was listening to made the joke that at some point Nancy and Chuck will be making the argument over how they scored a progressive victory over Republicans cuz they got them to use the good Zyclon gas on refugees instead of the longer slower bad Zyclon gas.
Sure, It'll cost more but that's what doing the right thing sometimes take. Were Democrats and we do the right thing even if it costs a little more.

'Whataboutism'?


Is this the part where I am supposed to leap to the defense of Chuck and Nancy now? Or was I supposed to argue about the merits of your funny friend and his Zyklon gas jokes?

After all, this position you promoted me to, in your efforts to make this thread all about me, I appear to be, what was it?

Oh yeah, "the official apologist and defender" of the "worthless and spineless Democratic party" and I am not supposed to criticize your motives, right?

Are you in need of a safe space?
Can we get back to talking about Democratic Socialism now?
Or is this thread still all about me because I had the temerity and the gall to criticize your motives?

You do realize that this is a debate site, yes?
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#312873 - 07/14/19 01:00 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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I'm not asking you to defend the Democratic party Jeff.

I was asking you to defend your charging me with 'whataboutism' , whatever that means.

Criticize away.

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#312876 - 07/14/19 02:07 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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Would you boys just settle the f*ck down and end your little flame-war.
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#312881 - 07/14/19 07:02 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
I'm not asking you to defend the Democratic party Jeff.

I was asking you to defend your charging me with 'whataboutism' , whatever that means.

Criticize away.


There's no payoff for me in all of this, and you're not satisfied with what I said, so I see no point in continuing this waste of bandwidth.
This is, as Greger pointed out, not some Basement flame war venue.

And I get no satisfaction from flaming, which is indeed what this has devolved into.
You'll just have to pissed off, because there's nothing I can do to satisfy your lost cause.
I consider this closed from this point forward.
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#312882 - 07/14/19 07:19 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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I have no problem with that.

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#312883 - 07/14/19 09:10 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
I have no problem with that.


And you can say whatever you like, but don't expect me to take it seriously when any criticism I make is construed as me being some kind of "cop" who "won't allow you to speak".

That's just a cheap shot and I like to think you're better than that.
Anyone has the right to speak, and anyone else has the right to critique it. That's how it works or so I've been told.
Truth is, I actually AGREE with much of your viewpoints AND criticisms of the two parties however the crux of our disagreement is how to approach the problem.

You're going to have to allow others to disagree with your ideas as to solutions. If you can't sell it to everybody, it's not my fault or "our fault". Those ideas are YOUR ideas, so you have to SELL them.

Now, if you don't mind, I'd like to get out of this blue uniform and take off my badge. I'm not "Officer Zimmerman".
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