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#312998 - 07/24/19 08:09 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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There is something in the Trump fans that is beyond partisanship. Certainly trusting Putin over our intelligence agencies, attacking the FBI even though it is part of your own Justice Department, and such is beyond the usual Democratic vrs Republican partisanship. Very few judges, appointed by one party or the other, are likely to go along with outright criminal stuff. That's my point here. When Trump takes his nonsense to court, even before Trump appointees, Federalist judges are not "mob owned" judges. They are more conservative than Republican. When they can deliver a conservative decision, they will. However lots of Trump's aims in court are not conservative at all.

As for the gerrymandering decision, the conservatives on the SC left it up to the states. All anybody needs to do is get a Democratic majority on their state supreme court, and bring a "gerrymandering is unconstitutional under the state constitution" case before them. No state nominates supreme court justices by gerrymandered district office holders, so gerrymandering should not affect them. You just need a Democratic majority to elect the right justices or a Democratic majority to elect the right Governor, depending on the state. The demographics of state majorities will make gerrymandering obsolete over the next few years. The only states where that won't happen soon have such a Republican majority that gerrymandering is unnecessary anyway.

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#313008 - 07/25/19 10:12 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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There is something in the Trump fans that is beyond partisanship.


Fandom meets partisanship. This is reality teevee, Trump and Hannity are writing it on the fly. Duck Dynasty on the World Stage.

Honeyboo is running the show...

And the fans are eating it up.
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#313009 - 07/25/19 10:32 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: Greger]
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Oh..and I have no idea what Trump's aims in court are or if he's in court or has any aims.
You keep promising some sort of retribution from the courts and I keep not seeing it.
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#313011 - 07/26/19 02:38 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Court is to Trump like sunshine is to a vampire. If he ever made a personal appearance in court he would perjure himself in the first 10 minutes. That's why he has lawyers pay everyone off, so he doesn't have to go to court and testify. But in criminal cases, you have no choice. Sure, you can take the 5th, and his lawyers would insist on that. But get Trump on the witness stand and his narcissism would kick in with a long crazy justification for every charge.

Personally, I'd like to see him charged for walking in on the naked teens in his pageant. That has to be some sort of sex offense, like walking into a high school girl's gym to watch them shower. Some states have removed their statute of limitations on sex crimes. He has admitted this in public and there are lots of witnesses. He justified it because he owned the pageant.

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#313013 - 07/26/19 04:47 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There is something in the Trump fans that is beyond partisanship..


Trump supporters are mentally ill individuals on the margin of society. They're underachieving bellyachers whose only happiness in life will be to win a slip and fall case against Walmart.

Hmm
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#313020 - 07/26/19 07:11 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There is something in the Trump fans that is beyond partisanship..


Trump supporters are mentally ill individuals on the margin of society. They're underachieving bellyachers whose only happiness in life will be to win a slip and fall case against Walmart.

Hmm

Truer words were never spoken, Rick.
While once I might have been inclined to reply that some of them might actually be very good people, it's just not so anymore. They've all gathered under that racist roof, they've revealed themselves and they are beyond redemption.

It's like a silent Zombie Apocalypse! Their brains get eaten up by ethernet code that comes through their computer screens. Without these tinfoil hats we wear we could have ended up just like them... tinfoilhat tinfoilhat tinfoilhat tinfoilhat tinfoilhat
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#313023 - 07/26/19 07:56 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Personally, I'd like to see him charged

I would too but rude behavior is seldom against the law.

If there were glaring tax issues the IRS would have already charged him. The government has his tax records, they've had them all along.

Mueller went through his sh*t with a fine tooth comb. Raided his attorneys office, waterboarded an old general or two...nuthin'...nada...zip.

Everybody and his brother has been looking where they shouldn't be looking for something that could end this madness.

It's probably a billion dollar industry at this point.

Zilch.
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#313025 - 07/26/19 10:13 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Nobody has looked at his loan applications and his tax filings at the same time. You can estimate the values of your assets at the high end for loan applications, and you can estimate the values of your assets at the low end for tax filings. Do both in the same year for the same assets, and you have committed bank fraud and tax fraud. Trumps standard MO for years has been to keep everything compartmentalized, so one authority does not know what he told the other. That could end soon. His fixer testified under oath that he did this. Cohen may have been one of the few people that were aware of both.

And yes: People do go to jail for these crimes, particularly the bank fraud. There are people at Deutsche Bank who would testify they thought he was committing bank fraud.

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#313026 - 07/26/19 10:44 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The Miss Teen USA pageant where Trump purposefully walked into the girl's dressing room, to see naked girls as young as 14, took place in Texas in 1997.

Interesting Texas statutes:

Sec. 21.11. INDECENCY WITH A CHILD. (a) A person commits an offense if, with a child younger than 17 years of age, whether the child is of the same or opposite sex and regardless of whether the person knows the age of the child at the time of the offense, the person:

(2) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person:

(B) causes the child to expose the child's anus or any part of the child's genitals.


Sec. 21.17. VOYEURISM. (a) A person commits an offense if the person, with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of the actor, observes another person without the other person's consent while the other person is in a dwelling or structure in which the other person has a reasonable expectation of privacy.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c) or (d), an offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.

(c) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor if it is shown on the trial of the offense that the actor has previously been convicted two or more times of an offense under this section.

(d) An offense under this section is a state jail felony if the victim was a child younger than 14 years of age at the time of the offense.

(e) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under any other law, the actor may be prosecuted under this section, the other law, or both.

From Texas Laws https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.21.htm

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#313027 - 07/26/19 11:51 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Grasping. At. Straws.
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