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#312929 - 07/17/19 07:28 PM Can't resist.......
jgw Offline
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Some thoughts.

The other night I saw "is gun violence a health care problem?" I would humbly submit that, in the United States, HEALTH CARE is a health care problem! (the problem being a for-profit healthcare system obviously driven by greed)

I am not convinced that the Democrats can beat Trump in 2020. They are not, so far and probably never, going to get the goods on Trump. They wait weeks for compliance of their subpoenas and then weeks more to charge with contempt, then more weeks to get that into the courts, then weeks more for that to play out. I suspect they could probably short cut to the supremes but that's not going to happen either. So the dance continues, the house whines and complains, the Dems are outraged along with the Republicans and nothing happens.

I suspect that those that want impeachment think that all of the above becomes even more dramatic. The simple fact is that this doubtful too. Basically, the house continues to investigate with few or no people testifying, thereby rendering all those investigations (something like 20+) spinning their wheels very loudly. The end result is to remind evenybody just how broken the system is and little else.

So, Trump has done a number of pretty disgusting things that need the light of day. For starters there is the appointment of "the best" to appointments and what that has brought; legally, morally, and administratively. Especially those dealing with the environment, malfeasance in office and incompetence.

Then there are the lies. These should be categorized, documented and include any available links.

Both of the above items should be well categorized and listed so that candidates can attack with what goods there are available so far.

My reasoning is that its gonna come down to Republican demonization of the Democrats, the trump economy and jobs against trump disgust. The Democratic party should have anti trump lists, such as those above, possibly broken down into Republicans being run against, by the Dems, ready, The Republican elected class is should be made to explain their support for Trump. It would be helpful to provide to any and all Democrats running for office the aforementioned lists and any others available.

I am suggesting this because the democrats in congress are of no help, even to their own. They just keep on blathering and little else. What they are also doing is allowing the Republicans to paint them as Socialist loons, with their heads in the sky, and unable to function. As usual the Dems just ignore that stuff and it hurts them. ,,

U also find it interesting that the Dems are silent when it comes to the national debt. This, in spite of the simple fact they are promising everybody the moon where there IS NO MONEY!
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2018/11/we-wil...-vital-programs
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/17/5-facts-about-the-national-debt-what-you-should-know/https://www.thebalance.com/interest-on-the-national-debt-4119024

One of the things Trump ran on was being "a master of debt". In private life this meant not paying his bills. If you google "did trump pay his bills" you will get literally thousands like (oh, plus somethinglike 6 bankruptcies):
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...wuits/85297274/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/campaign-rally-bills-trump-10-cities_n_5d02e5a6e4b0304a120c9a1c

There has been some suggestion that he is actually not going to pay for the national debt either. This would bring our entire economy down to its knees are seriously reduce the worth of the US Dollar.

Now, one last. I think that most understand that EVERY time the Dems have taken over from the Republicans they inherited an economic disaster they were left to clean up. They never placed the blame where it belonged, just did their best to save the nation with nary a whine. This time around, unless Trump does something to take down the entire economy (certainly, a possibility), they will only inherit a national debt of horrendous size if they actually win. The size of the debt also means that if America is going to sell their bonds they are also have to raise the interest rate to entice buyers - which will make things even worse. All that, however, is in the future so - just saying.........


Edited by jgw (07/22/19 07:24 PM)

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#312930 - 07/17/19 11:06 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: jgw]
Greger Offline

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Trump is Toast in 2020.

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its gonna come down to Republican demonization of the Democrats,

So the racists, bigots and misogynists, the nationalists, the white supremecists and the outright fecking Nazis Are gonna point out all the flaws in the Democratic Party?

The folks who rip children from the arms of their parents and lock them into cages, The folks who foment war to boost arms sales, the folks who cheat in elections, the inside traders, the child and spouse abusers are gonna rqag on the dems for being un_American and un-patriotic? Because they want fair wages and a little help from www.whatever.gov once in a while?

We gonna rip 'em a new assh*le come 2020.

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#312934 - 07/18/19 05:43 AM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: jgw]
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Pelosi just does not want the Democrats to shoot their wad early and wind up with Trump acquitted by the Senate by election time. (Just like Bill Clinton!) That's a big part of Trump's actions and outrageous tweets. He wants to be impeached and acquitted. You could even say it is key to getting reelected. Nancy is not that stupid. She will move toward impeachment gradually, but she won't let it happen before election day.

The other thing that is happening is that there is a legal maneuver to get some Trump administration guys charged with perjury for taking phony arguments and making false statements to the Supreme Court in the census question case. The SC more or less reamed them a new one, so this could succeed. Judges do NOT like to be lied to, especially by government lawyers. Lies do have consequences, and Presidential pardons have no effect on contempt charges.

And finally, all these people who are ignoring congressional subpoenas are going to wind up in jail. They are out now but when this does get to court (before election day) it's going to look very bad with most of Trump's staff in orange jumpsuits. Remember there were 6 Watergate burglars but 40 of Nixon's guys ended up convicted.

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#312937 - 07/18/19 05:26 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: Greger]
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If bigotry, racism, white nationalism, white supremacy, etc is more common than I think (and it may be) Mr Trump will win. This is the driving force behind Trump supporters. He is the voice of bigotry they have not had since Gov Wallace.

Unless Democrats select someone who is more media savvy, more charismatic, and can handle adolescent school yard bullying better than Mr Trump, I believe Mr Trump has a good chance of winning.

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#312938 - 07/18/19 06:14 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Pelosi just does not want the Democrats to shoot their wad early and wind up with Trump acquitted by the Senate by election time.
I want to hold onto that silver bullet just in case we need it after 2020. I'm pretty confidant at the moment that 2020 will go our way but just in case it doesn't, I want to have a little something in my back pocket.
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#312950 - 07/19/19 11:47 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: rporter314]
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Unless Democrats select someone who is more media savvy, more charismatic, and can handle adolescent school yard bullying better than Mr Trump...


This is exactly why I want to draft George Cloony. We have already seen that the voting public are morons, that women won't vote for women, etc. Give them a sexy, suave, sophisticated action hero and I think you have a sure thing. And he has a wife who is not a whore, too! Additional gravy.

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#312952 - 07/20/19 02:41 AM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: pondering_it_all]
Greger Offline

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His wife is a f*cking MUSLIM!!!!!

And this aint fantasy football. Clooney wasn't interested in the role.

But thinking about it is certainly a lot more fun than thinking about Biden as our next president.
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#312953 - 07/20/19 09:53 AM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: jgw]
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So what, Amal Clooney is a Lebanese Druze.
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#312955 - 07/20/19 07:33 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: jgw]
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It's actually a lot more complicated than that. Her mother is Shia Muslim. Her father is Lebanese Druze. Druze are technically Muslim, but most other types of Muslim would say they are not. Right from Wikipedia:

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Amal Clooney is fluent in English, French, and Arabic.[92][93] Her father is a Lebanese Druze[11][12][13][16][94] and her mother is a Lebanese Sunni Muslim.[16][17] Some reports have described Clooney as a Druze.[94] However, it is unlikely that she considers herself a part of the religion in any capacity, due to the Druze restriction on exogamy, her mother's Muslim faith, and her marriage to non-Druze George Clooney.[95][96] She has not publicly discussed her religion, but her husband said in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter that Amal Clooney is "nondenominational....not religious at all"


I would say she's more British than anything else, having lived there since she was 2. Oxford grad, and all. Marrying a non-Muslim is not something a Muslim girl of faith would do, and marrying a non-Druze is not something a Druze girl of faith would do.

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#312963 - 07/21/19 07:17 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Yeah yeah yeah...tell that to the Muzlim hating masses.

Clooney aint in the race and his wife might be the reason why.

It would get ugly from the start and even uglier as it went along. When you're rich, famous, and through your celebrity, and with your wife, you are helping people all over the world, why in blazes would you want to put yourself into that meatgrinder.
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