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#313271 - 08/08/19 06:04 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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No, they don't do a very good job, especially when Republicans are running things. They actively sabotage everything the government tries to do, regulation-wise. When Democrats are in power, they try to fix the worst excesses of capitalism. It could be much, much worse. If you don't understand that, you have no connection to reality.

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#313273 - 08/08/19 07:57 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Dems foamed the runway for white collared banking crimnals.....
Held no one to account for fraud..
Helped shift our economy from industrial capitalism to a financial capitalism...
Helped pass stricter bankruptcy measures...
Passed the worlds most expensive health insurance bill, leaving millions uninsured, called it 'progress' and 'better'....

Your two party binary arguments are just so much smoke getting blown up peoples backside to distract from real issues. Dems have proven to suck as much and in some cases more than their further to the right counterparts.

but, yeah, I'm disconnected from reality...


Edited by chunkstyle (08/08/19 07:59 PM)

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#313274 - 08/08/19 08:00 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Dems foamed the runway for white collared banking crimnals.....
Held no one to account for fraud..
Helped shift our economy from industrial capitalism to a financial capitalism...
Helped pass stricter bankruptcy measures...
Passed the worlds most expensive health insurance bill, leaving millions uninsured, called it 'progress' and 'better'....

Your two party binary arguments are just so much smoke getting blown up peoples backside to distract from real issues. Dems have proven to suck as much and in some cases more than their further to the right counterparts.

but, yeah, I'm disconnected from reality...


Well gosh when you put it that way, seeing all the crimes they've committed, I guess we'd better keep Trump and the Repubs in power forever.
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#313276 - 08/08/19 08:04 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Helped send millions to jail for minor drug offenses...
Took food away from poor kids...
Backed voucher schools and undermined teachers unions (their own base, HA!)...
Helped kill a lot of Afghans, Iraqi's and Libyans...
Sold arms to the Saudi's...
Restarted the nuclear arms race...
Gave Republicans freedom to move even further right...

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#313278 - 08/08/19 08:08 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Stop pretending Democrats have your interests (unless any of these items are in your interest).
It's like hyperventilating on Russia kept any serious critique from ever happenning on why Democrats lost in 2016. Same Bipolar B.S.

One party sucking does not mean the other party doesn't also suck. It's just a difference in style.

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#313289 - 08/09/19 12:39 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Stop pretending Democrats have your interests (unless any of these items are in your interest).
It's like hyperventilating on Russia kept any serious critique from ever happenning on why Democrats lost in 2016. Same Bipolar B.S.

One party sucking does not mean the other party doesn't also suck. It's just a difference in style.


Like I said, if they're really that bad, ain't no way in Hell we should ever allow them to win another election ever again.
Here's to one party Republican rule forever, because "Democrats suck, too!" and we can't allow that.

I guess it's kind of like:
If you aren't Antifa you must be PRO-FA!

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#313291 - 08/09/19 01:21 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The difference is that we might be able to change the Democratic Party.
Failing that...after the Republican Party implodes then the Democrats can become the business party and the Democratic Socialists will become the people's party.
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#313292 - 08/09/19 02:43 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Greger
The difference is that we might be able to change the Democratic Party.
Failing that...after the Republican Party implodes then the Democrats can become the business party and the Democratic Socialists will become the people's party.


If the Republican Party implodes then the pressure on both the DemSoc AND the Democratic Party will be enormous, and they will both have to change dramatically, and I don't mean "moving to the right" because we know that the Republican Party will not actually "implode".

It will just cease to be relevant for a long time.

You appear to be talking about the emergence of a viable third party.
Go for it. I'll probably join it, but I don't see the groundwork being done yet so I hope it's not just another version of the US Greens, who hibernate for 3.5 years, then run Jill Stein for POTUS, then go back into hibernation again, lather, rinse, repeat.

At least the DemSoc's have AOC and the Squad but that isn't enough.
But it is a start.
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#313294 - 08/09/19 03:30 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Democrats already are the business party.
They have been for some time.

They are beyond reforming.

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#313297 - 08/09/19 03:38 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
chunkstyle Offline
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You keep proposing these odd choices.
How's this then. Would you prefer to be raped by a friend or a stranger, Jeff?

Many prefer to stay home and not have to make that choice any longer. That's been getting the most votes.

90,000 people that voted in the last presidential election in Michigan left the top line empty.

Hillary lost the state by 10,000 votes.

But lets talk of Russian interference........

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