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#312964 - 07/22/19 12:16 AM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: jgw]
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Because you see that Biden is going to be the next President, and then all Republicans after that. Or maybe it would just be a good time to move to England.

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#312974 - 07/22/19 04:18 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Because you see that Biden is going to be the next President, and then all Republicans after that


What I see, is Biden failing to accomplish much because he's so far behind the times. He hasn't even got the wherewithal to rule by decree and believes bipartisanship is the way of the future.....

He'll get the same treatment Obama got. Because they know it works.

2024 will see another Republican. 2028 it might switch back. How long can we go on without effective government in place? Letting the rich run rampant over the rest of us. Letting the stupid elect their celebrity heroes. What we're doing now isn't sustainable.

Electing Biden is a vote for trying to sustain it.

Signs and portents are pointing to a substantial Democratic win in 2020. Democrats will have two years to accomplish anything that might be on their agenda. Doubling the current minimum wage would be a good start. Ending the cap on social security is another.

Neither party has done squat to put money into the pockets of the voting public for a long time. If one wants to actually succeed I think that's a pretty good place to start.
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#312980 - 07/22/19 10:31 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Because you see that Biden is going to be the next President, and then all Republicans after that


What I see, is Biden failing to accomplish much because he's so far behind the times. He hasn't even got the wherewithal to rule by decree and believes bipartisanship is the way of the future.....

He'll get the same treatment Obama got. Because they know it works.

2024 will see another Republican. 2028 it might switch back. How long can we go on without effective government in place? Letting the rich run rampant over the rest of us. Letting the stupid elect their celebrity heroes. What we're doing now isn't sustainable.

Electing Biden is a vote for trying to sustain it.

Signs and portents are pointing to a substantial Democratic win in 2020. Democrats will have two years to accomplish anything that might be on their agenda. Doubling the current minimum wage would be a good start. Ending the cap on social security is another.

Neither party has done squat to put money into the pockets of the voting public for a long time. If one wants to actually succeed I think that's a pretty good place to start.


It is a year and a half away still, so why are you guys convinced Biden is a lock, and not a placeholder?

Also, why am I suddenly being tagged a hardcore Biden supporter?
It's as if I've never posted anything here before.
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#312987 - 07/23/19 11:05 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: jgw]
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I don't think Biden is a lock. I think he is a default. It's "his turn", unless somebody better comes along. Which is a pretty low bar. Yes, Biden is in the lead with about 33%, but "not Biden" has 67%. As the race settles, more candidates will drop out. It will be interesting to see where that 67% ends up.

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#312988 - 07/24/19 02:13 AM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I don't think Biden is a lock. I think he is a default. It's "his turn", unless somebody better comes along. Which is a pretty low bar. Yes, Biden is in the lead with about 33%, but "not Biden" has 67%. As the race settles, more candidates will drop out. It will be interesting to see where that 67% ends up.


And I'm thinking there's a possibility that Gaffer Joe will stick his foot in his mouth all the way up to the knee, and a lot of that free range 67 will possibly wind up with Liz Warren, unless she too does the foot in mouth thing.
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#312990 - 07/24/19 03:58 AM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: jgw]
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Actually, I think most of his 33% is not all that committed. Give them a better choice and they will peel off.

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#313135 - 08/03/19 04:38 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: Greger]
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Pelosi just does not want the Democrats to shoot their wad early and wind up with Trump acquitted by the Senate by election time.
I want to hold onto that silver bullet just in case we need it after 2020. I'm pretty confidant at the moment that 2020 will go our way but just in case it doesn't, I want to have a little something in my back pocket.
I'm completely with you on this one, my friend. As of today, a majority of the Democrats in the House are in favor of "an impeachment inquiry". Majority of House Democrats now back a T...y Pelosi to act (USA Today). Moreover, the House has already argued that the investigations to date are "impeachment related". An impeachment inquiry has begun (The Hill).

I think an inquiry, and the impeachment question, will work, ultimately, in the Democrats' favor. I recognize that it will energize the GOP base, which is not an insignificant factor, but as more and more facts come out over the course of the inquiry it will dominate headlines, stealing much of Trump's undeserved oxygen. Actually moving on impeachment will inspire a good portion of the Democratic base, too, and, as long as they continue to pursue a clear legislative agenda at the same time, will give them strong platform to run against GOP incumbents (including the President).
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#313141 - 08/03/19 06:04 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Timing is key in the impeachment affair. We're just gonna hafta trust Pelosi to know when to pull the trigger. I know she'd love to be the one to take Trump down and I don't think she wants to end her career with a failed attempt. This is EPIC politics.
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#313142 - 08/03/19 06:08 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: jgw]
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I am starting to believe that the Democrats may just luck out. Trump is working, very hard, to crash the economy, and is getting demonized with vigor. Moscow Mitch is finding himself not only a butt of jokes but is getting really connected with the Russians and that looks as if its gonna get a LOT worse for him (I wonder, what if the house actually impeached him?). All these are good things as the Dems just keep demonstrating their inability to help themselves but, it seems, they can rely on the Republicans to do it for them. So, my fond hope is that, inspite of the Democratic inability to do themselves any good they may actually win next year!

Actually I am not convinced that the Senate might actually convict Mitch if he got impeached. He has got himself in a genuine mess with no exits. Couple that with the house passing something like 370 pieces of legislating whilst the senate has a whole 24 to their questionable credit. If the Senate Republicans stand even a chance at re-election (assuming the Dems actually put up viable candidates that are not promising the world) they are going to have to deal with Moscow Mitch.

OH, I have been accusing the Dems of not doing themselves any favors. An example might be the Democratic candidates attacking Obama and nobody even mentioning little facts about Obama. One, I think may be pertinent, is the simple fact that the Republicans dedicated themselves, for the last 6 years of Obama, to proudly block virtually any and all Obama legislation and appointments. One would think that somebody might mention that little fact but, I guess, the Dems have been too busy fouling their own nest to bother. There is a lot more to that one but I assume everybody here already understands.

A suggestion for candidates. Before running their mouths I would suggest they all sit down together and discuss stuff like heathcare and what is actually possible. The far lefties, for instance, are not a majority. I suspect most of their 'promises' are actually just more political hot air that will not be a good thing once they get re-elected - or not.

Sorry - once I start its just hard to stop <G>

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#313155 - 08/03/19 07:11 PM Re: Can't resist....... [Re: jgw]
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Every single Republican Administration for the past 120 years has seen an economic downturn. Coincidence? I think not. Hmm

Trump will too.

The Feds don't lower the interest rates, willy-nilly and this week's lowering was the first since 2008.

Yup, Trump broke Obama's economy. coffee
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