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#312845 - 07/11/19 04:36 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Greger]
Greger Offline

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Oh, Jeffrey...I didn't need to see that. The three armies...the rich, the religious, and the stupid. This may not be winnable at all.
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#312848 - 07/11/19 09:03 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I'm sorry Jeff
Was there an explanation of you 'whataboutism' in there?

Is there a place in the public record that is the final definitive word on how the deals go down?

I think you and me have very different ideas of what politics was, is and could be.

The Democratic Leadership has been paid to lower those expectations.

IMO, of course. Sorry if it doesn't walk with yours.

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#312850 - 07/12/19 04:16 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
I'm sorry Jeff
Was there an explanation of you 'whataboutism' in there?

Is there a place in the public record that is the final definitive word on how the deals go down?

I think you and me have very different ideas of what politics was, is and could be.

The Democratic Leadership has been paid to lower those expectations.

IMO, of course. Sorry if it doesn't walk with yours.


I think you and I probably have similar ideas of what politics was and is, but I think you devote an inordinate and unrealistic amount of energy into imagining what it should be, and it may be (temporarily) clouding your ability to parse the reality of the thing.

I assure you nearly ALL of us have ideas of what politics COULD BE, and I'm sure most of them are probably pretty good ideas.

But we still face certain realities, and they're every bit as real whether you believe they are or not.

Do you have access to Google? Go to "the Google" and type in
w-h-a-ta-b-o-u-t-i-s-m and hit the ENTER key.

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#312851 - 07/12/19 09:50 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It's a term used to deflect criticism, as far as I can tell. Libs lost their mind with the term after trumps election and tried to make the case that he was employing some kind of russian avoidance technique.
It's used to deflect against criticism of hypocrisy. Is that your beef Jeff?
That I bring up the hypocrisy and undermining of progress by conservative and liberal Dems?
That fighting for that progress means taking on the democratic party and it's leadership?
Because the party is sure fighting back against any progress and has been. At some point you have to ask yourself why?
At some point you realize how much they suck.

Or not.

Either way, I wanted you to explain how I was using it in, what did you say?, a careful and sophisticated way.




Edited by chunkstyle (07/12/19 10:09 AM)

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#312856 - 07/12/19 07:39 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

Either way, I wanted you to explain how I was using it in, what did you say?, a careful and sophisticated way.




Why are you asking me to repeat a previous post?
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#312857 - 07/13/19 01:00 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
chunkstyle Offline
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You wrote:

"your wholesale condemnation of the entire Democratic Party and everyone in it can only amount to a form of whataboutism."

I wanted to have that explained to me. It was dumb when the libs were trying that on Trump. I wanted to see if it was just as dumb with you trying it on me.


Whataboutism....

Is that like 'sowhatism' or 'whateverism'?

Never mind. These conversations always suck your soul and there's nothing worth discussing here. I've had more than my share over the last few years.





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#312858 - 07/13/19 01:01 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Re:You get four years of this:

Beautiful pics Jeffery. May peace be upon those folks.....
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#312859 - 07/13/19 04:02 AM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
You wrote:

"your wholesale condemnation of the entire Democratic Party and everyone in it can only amount to a form of whataboutism."

I wanted to have that explained to me. It was dumb when the libs were trying that on Trump. I wanted to see if it was just as dumb with you trying it on me.
Whataboutism....

Is that like 'sowhatism' or 'whateverism'?

Never mind. These conversations always suck your soul and there's nothing worth discussing here. I've had more than my share over the last few years.


I believe the term I used was "TORCHING".
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#312863 - 07/13/19 01:29 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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How about we agree on this Jeff.

I'll continue to b!tch about how lame, worthless and spineless the Democratic party is and has been. It shouldn't be long before another opportunity comes along. Border security funding without safeguards for children comes to mind but there's sure to be more.

You can be the official apologist and defender by pointing out how they don't suck as much as republicans or criticize me and my motives.

Does that about describe the current situation we find ourselves in?

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#312864 - 07/13/19 04:16 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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Well...they don't suck as much as Republicans.

Some of them might not suck at all.

We talked for years about "a viable third party". Back then we imagined it would be a leftist uprising. We got the TEA Party instead and now find ourselves in...
The Twilight Zone
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