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#313133 - 08/03/19 04:25 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
I am imagining the Middle East literally exploding in outrage.
I disagree and here's why: The US has had many women in traditional conservative Muslim roles represent the United States and nothing untoward happened. It'll be the same for Vice President Buttigieg we he visits. smile
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#313134 - 08/03/19 04:36 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
I am imagining the Middle East literally exploding in outrage.
I disagree and here's why: The US has had many women in traditional conservative Muslim roles represent the United States and nothing untoward happened. It'll be the same for Vice President Buttigieg we he visits. smile


Don't get me wrong, because for his sake and the sake of all in the LGBTQ community, I would hope that he really would be safe.
My skepticism however rests with the fact that there have been a lot of targeted killings of gay people in the ME and I wonder if we really COULD keep a gay dignitary safe, and the fact that I wonder if we can really trust our own security to not let their personal beliefs could their judgment in doing their jobs.
After all, there were two incidents where DC cops expressed a desire to see Michelle Obama dispensed with.

Oh...I see where he "he says he was just joking."
Yeah, right. rolleyes

And Pete Buttigeig is not a woman.
He's a gifted leader who happens to have an orientation that gets his peers in the ME thrown off the roofs of buildings.
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#313136 - 08/03/19 05:11 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: pdx rick]
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I think he'd be fine. The Middle East is a drama queen and Arabs been buggering boys as longs as there's been Arabs and boys. They're not a lick different from self righteous Christians.

They don't like a queer president? They can shove it right up their well reamed wazoos. The only thing in the middle east that anybody gives a rat's ass about is oil. It's a weird ass culture with strange clothing and all sorts of religious taboos that no one but them really take seriously. It's a little past time they stepped out of the 19th century.

But that's just one man's opinion.
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#313137 - 08/03/19 05:21 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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I think he'd be fine. The Middle East is a drama queen and Arabs been buggering boys as longs as there's been Arabs and boys. They're not a lick different from self righteous Christians.


"I want to believe", but the fact that they're eager to kill dissident American journalists keeps haunting me. And that's just a writer they didn't like.
Bring them a liberal gay man and I don't think the radical Saudi clerics could resist the chance to try drawing a bead on Mayor President Pete.
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#313138 - 08/03/19 05:25 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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But...that being said, my original point was that a black president set race relations back fifty years and I'd hate to see homophobia become the next big republican target. It's one of the areas we've actually made some progress as a society.
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#313140 - 08/03/19 05:38 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Uh...I understand that all middle easterners are blood thirsty killers and that most of them are terrorists...but I really don't think "they" would attempt to assassinate a gay president for being gay.

Bush killed millions of them. He's still alive

Obama was black. Still alive.

He'd be fine.
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#313145 - 08/03/19 06:28 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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I keep thinking a Warren/Buttigieg ticket would be pretty sweet.

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#313149 - 08/03/19 06:49 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I just don't really see any reason to consider him presidential or even vice presidential material. He's a nice, white, well spoken, gay christian moderate with zero experience at the federal level.
Pretty face?

I just don't get the excitement about him.
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#313153 - 08/03/19 07:08 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I just don't really see any reason to consider him presidential or even vice presidential material. He's a nice, white, well spoken, gay christian moderate with zero experience at the federal level.
Pretty face?

I just don't get the excitement about him.


...and he likes God and scripture. WI, MI, and PA will love that. smile
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#313163 - 08/03/19 11:30 PM Re: Democratic Socialism [Re: jgw]
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He's extremely thoughtful, intelligent, multilingual, polished, inexperienced, young. I think he needs to be more experienced to take on the Presidency, but as a VP... well, he'd get national experience, exposure, and would be an inspiration for the future. That's my thinking on it. I'd just like someone smart for a change - like Obama was.
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