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#313021 - 07/26/19 07:30 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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"Traveling hundreds of miles across Iowa, passing cornfields and covered bridges, visiting quaint small town after quaint small town, listening to the stump speeches of Democrat after would-be Donald Trump-combating Democrat, only one thought comes to mind:

They’re gonna blow this again."

Matt Taibbi gives some good insider analysis of both the press and Democratic candidates from the road in Iowa. Nice audio read option of his article if you prefer to lissen at him.

The Iowa Circus


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#313029 - 07/27/19 06:01 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Left to their own devices they probably would blow this again.
The anti-Trump sentiment will see them through.

Must be strange to be in Iowa during all this...Presidential candidates on soapboxes on every corner with cameramen trying to find an angle that looks like somebody is paying attention to them...

This is going to go on until February when the caucuses begin.
Money's gonna dry up for a bunch of them. Soon I hope.
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#313036 - 07/28/19 12:32 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Yeah, mebbe.
The Democratic party has been a perpetual disappointment machine for decades now for some. I also see Trump keeping his base wound up and motivated , whereas Democratic party leadership keeps punching left while desperately reading the political game box lid for rules violations over the last election.
I think it's gunna come down to who gets their base out more (has it ever been otherwise?). Meanwhile the Democratic party gets older, more insular and resentful of an energized, more youthful populist left that could bring some much needed energy to a weak and tired party.
The sad part is it could be so easy for them to win. That's my measure of how much they suck.
You may be right Gregor but but bad management has a way of hanging on these days.

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#313040 - 07/28/19 12:45 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Well this was a nice surprise to read about this weekend. Corrupt leadership getting challenged from below. More please....



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#313043 - 07/28/19 03:48 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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The end is nigh for Pelosi anyway. She's 79 and has promised to step down from her speakership after the elections. Her retirement soon after that is pretty likely. She's really not equipped to usher in a new age of social populism and that appears to be the way democratic voters are heading.

The end is nigh for a lot of old codgers up in DC.
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#313045 - 07/28/19 05:25 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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She seems to be very competent for 79, but anyone that age should be thinking about retirement. They also should have spent the last 10 years training their replacement. And when the replacement surpasses your competence, it's time to go.

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#313049 - 07/28/19 10:22 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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She's clung to her position thru corporate patronage so that's a kind of competency, I guess.
She really got played by Trump and helped fund his border wall and concentration camps. Unless that's a good thing for Libs. Times are strange and loyalties are no longer clear.
With her, I'm reminded of how the petite bourgeoisie of Germany threw in with the fascists when push came to shove and socialists were gaining ground. I have to wonder if the border wall and concentration camp funding while punching left at the core of recently elected lefties is the start of them going over.
Or perhaps she's really not that competent after?

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#313053 - 07/29/19 08:08 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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You might as well paint every politician in the history of the world with that brush. Money always rules. Voters just decide who the money rules through.

Petite Bourgeoisie? Little bougies? The almost rich, newly rich, and fairly rich crowd? That's a greedy bunch and a lot of them are swimming in debt. Driving nice cars though...
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#313065 - 07/30/19 10:20 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
You might as well paint every politician in the history of the world with that brush. Money always rules. Voters just decide who the money rules through.

Petite Bourgeoisie? Little bougies? The almost rich, newly rich, and fairly rich crowd? That's a greedy bunch and a lot of them are swimming in debt. Driving nice cars though...


Most, but not all. Every once in a while you get a moment in history where there is a unique individual running that is out of the cynical, self serving norm.

Right now they're all on the left (of course) and one's even running for president.


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#313066 - 07/30/19 11:32 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

Most, but not all. Every once in a while you get a moment in history where there is a unique individual running that is out of the cynical, self serving norm.

Right now they're all on the left (of course) and one's even running for president.


One and ONLY one? Nobody else can possibly be "close" to being acceptable?
Perfect is the enemy of the good, I guess.

Which one, by the way?
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