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#312816 - 07/09/19 04:22 PM Re: They have names [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
In this instance, Trump is actually following the standard Republican playbook: ignore the issue, and make it worse. The list is long - climate change, environment, income inequality, racial disparity, Palestine, South and central American poverty. Trump has merely expanded the list and followed the worst course possible.


So what NWP?

When democrats vote like republicans and democratic voters keep supporting same democrats what difference does it make to call out what play the president is following?

It's a small thing but raises a big point about party fealty.

Another perspective:

"While the defeat on that bill was initiated by the right wing of the Democratic caucus—an illuminating example of why it’s not enough to just elect people with (D) next to their name on the ballot—Pelosi’s capitulation to the likes of alleged car fighter Josh Gottheimer was just another in a series of a long line of surrenders. At this point, Pelosi has all but conceded that Trump can do whatever he wants, as evidenced by the fact that she’s fighting the left’s push for an impeachment inquiry seemingly just as hard as he is. When writer E. Jean Carroll came forward last month and accused Trump of raping her in a department store in the 1990s, Pelosi virtually ignored it, saying she hasn’t “paid much attention to it.” The Speaker of the House hasn’t paid much attention to a rape allegation made against the President of the United States. Got it."

The Democrats are not an opposition party

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#312821 - 07/09/19 05:06 PM Re: They have names [Re: chunkstyle]
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The Speaker of the House hasn’t paid much attention to a rape allegation made against the President of the United States. Got it.

I didn't pay much attention to it either. Probably happened, can't be proved one way or the other. We know Trump has had a sordid history with women and this is just further proof. It was page 6 news at best.

I take much greater issue with the fact that she passed the Senate Immigration funding bill without demanding changes....
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#312824 - 07/09/19 08:03 PM Re: They have names [Re: Greger]
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Agreed, about the border funding. Spineless, worthless.

The rape charge against a sitting president just makes for a good mile marker for these dark and colorful times.

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#312825 - 07/09/19 10:02 PM Re: They have names [Re: chunkstyle]
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Have you ever stopped for a moment to think about just how fortunate we are to be alive during this historic time? Witnessing what might well be the end of civilization? Or the beginning of a New Era...

Something like 62% of Republicans approve of Trump's treatment of immigrants. The children in cages, the terrorist tactics, the sheer horrific misery of it all. 62%....dunno where that number came from so no link. The rest of the world? Not so much...
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#312833 - 07/10/19 05:14 AM Re: They have names [Re: Greger]
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Probably happened, can't be proved one way or the other.


This is why we have police and collect rape kits. If she had just reported this it would have saved countless lives and America's position in the world. I have little sympathy for women who do not report sexual assaults. Yes, it may be painful, but think of all the women who he will assault later!

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#313064 - 07/30/19 07:52 PM Re: They have names [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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Probably happened, can't be proved one way or the other.


This is why we have police and collect rape kits. If she had just reported this it would have saved countless lives and America's position in the world. I have little sympathy for women who do not report sexual assaults. Yes, it may be painful, but think of all the women who he will assault later!


I would normally go along with this but for firsthand personal experience where the victim was pretty much mocked by police.
In fact, it didn't happen all that long ago, in Texas, and it is still fresh in my mind.

There are just parts of the country where reporting a rape is still a risky or painful proposition and you might just be treated as the criminal and not the victim.

Traci Lords had a lot to say about the long standing tradition of high school football rapes in her home town of Steubenville, Ohio.
She was raped at age ten, and her mother was raped at age twelve, the same age as some of the recent victims. Steubenville apparently cares a lot more about the lives of their football heroes.
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#313077 - 07/31/19 06:38 PM Re: They have names [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Sex by 12 is almost a family tradition around here. I looked at the sex offender website, and there's almost one per block. The website describes the crime which is usually an uncle/niece thing. Seems to be a cultural thing that came from Mexico, like Quinceaneras.

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#313078 - 07/31/19 08:05 PM Re: They have names [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Sex by 12 is almost a family tradition around here. I looked at the sex offender website, and there's almost one per block. The website describes the crime which is usually an uncle/niece thing. Seems to be a cultural thing that came from Mexico, like Quinceaneras.


Maybe where said "uncle" is seventeen or nineteen, and still "over-eager" according to Quinceanera standards, which mark the fifteenth birthday as being officially a grown woman, which harkens back to a time when the average life expectancy was about fifty five for males in MX.

My own grandmother on the Italian side was married by fifteen in the old country and gave birth to my mother at sixteen, but she was also running an entire farmer market at fifteen, and average life expectancy for men in Rapino, Italy in the 1900's was also about 55 or so.

I don't see it as much of a stretch to either move Quinceanera age to sixteen for "emancipated" teens, or eighteen.
By the way, this might shock you, but as enlightened as we like to think we are, California is one of just a few states lacking ANY minimum age for marriage.
Minors (under the age of 18) must obtain both parental consent and a court order before they may legally tie the knot.

CA needs to enact a mandatory minimum marrying age with no exceptions.
And get the "uncles" out of the picture. Those are sex offenders indeed, incestuous ones. That's not culture, it's trailer trash in any language, even if they don't live in a trailer.
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#313104 - 08/02/19 01:45 AM Re: They have names [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I would agree, but the numbers are incredible. It seems like a disconnect with American law and cultural values is taking place, if so many Hispanic men think their niece is fair game as soon as she turns 12. The girls seem to handle it: I don't see a lot of Hispanic porn stars or pole dancers. The men fair a lot worse by being put on the sex offender registry for life. I have no idea how long they go to jail. But there sure are a lot of them living among us.

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#313105 - 08/02/19 01:54 AM Re: They have names [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Dershowitz had a reasonable point in his essay about age of consent, and that is that America's many state laws are insane. Prison and sex offender registry for life in one state, but the same exact activity may be perfectly legal the next state over. Every state has a different age of consent, different near-age exceptions (or not), different penalties, and so on. It's no wonder so many teens get in trouble with the law. The feds have their own rules: Sex with any sixteen year old is okay, even if you are a sex tourist. Under 16, they prosecute. Makes more sense for every state to adopt the same ages, exception, and penalties.

And for God's Sake, stop putting kids on the sex offender registry for posting or sending nude photos of themselves. It may be very very stupid, but the legal response is much more harmful than the act.

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