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#313220 - 08/06/19 04:30 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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China, India and UK all have running thorium nukes right now.

Show me a picture of one...

Can't can ya. because there isn't one. There is not a single operating molten salt thorium reactor in the world.
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#313222 - 08/06/19 05:09 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Greger]
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Edited by jgw (08/06/19 05:13 PM)

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#313225 - 08/06/19 05:56 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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That's a fast breeder reactor. While there are some thorium salts involved it is NOT a molten salt reactor.

Google "molten salt thorium reactor" pictures. All you get is diagrams.

India doesn't have much uranium and nuclear fuel is expensive. But they have lots of thorium which can be fed to certain reactors. The fast breeder creates more fuel(radioactive material) than it uses. It can actually create more fuel for itself than it can burn.

Call it fuel if you want, it sounds like radioactive waste to me.

Lotsa folks working on, it tons of money being spent, best guess is maybe 15 years before one gets hooked up to the grid.

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#313236 - 08/06/19 11:07 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
That's a fast breeder reactor. While there are some thorium salts involved it is NOT a molten salt reactor.

Google "molten salt thorium reactor" pictures. All you get is diagrams.

India doesn't have much uranium and nuclear fuel is expensive. But they have lots of thorium which can be fed to certain reactors. The fast breeder creates more fuel(radioactive material) than it uses. It can actually create more fuel for itself than it can burn.

Call it fuel if you want, it sounds like radioactive waste to me.

Lotsa folks working on, it tons of money being spent, best guess is maybe 15 years before one gets hooked up to the grid.



Oak Ridge just restarted their Thorium project again after forty years.
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#321190 - 02/07/20 07:06 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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My wife are watching Chernobyl. That reminded me of something that may be of interest. I have talked to a bunch of folks who seem to know all about nuclear reactors. They have all told me one simple fact. We didn't go with Thorium because you can't build a bomb with it. That being the case we didn't. Not only that but then we populated the world with reactors that can be used to build bombs, melt down, poison everything, and kill us all.

it may also be of interest that India has 25% of the world's Thorium. They just built another non-thorium reactor. Wonder why?

I know, we are a peace loving people - right?


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#321192 - 02/07/20 07:19 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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The only way to insulate yourself against American imperialism is to have nuclear weapons.

Kinda like Star Wars....and we're NOT the good guys.
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#321200 - 02/07/20 09:08 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
My wife are watching Chernobyl. That reminded me of something that may be of interest. I have talked to a bunch of folks who seem to know all about nuclear reactors. They have all told me one simple fact. We didn't go with Thorium because you can't build a bomb with it. That being the case we didn't. Not only that but then we populated the world with reactors that can be used to build bombs, melt down, poison everything, and kill us all.

it may also be of interest that India has 25% of the world's Thorium. They just built another non-thorium reactor. Wonder why?

I know, we are a peace loving people - right?


But they along with the Chinese, are still preparing to put thorium reactors back online again. Both nations HAVE working models which have had several years of testing.

We have one too, at Oak Ridge, also tested.
The technology is proven and mature, we just don't have the will to do it yet.
It's like having a winning poker hand and ignoring it.

And we do have plenty of thorium here, by the way.
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#321209 - 02/07/20 10:42 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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India obviously wants to be able to make bombs. They have Pakistan and China to worry about. And soon maybe Iran, thanks to Dear Leader.

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#321253 - 02/08/20 07:57 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think that there is actually a lot of thorium everyplace. I am not sure about us "having the will". These things are not half as complex as the monsters we have now. I am personally for modular reactors (MNR's) but would be all that upset with replacing every one of those we have right now with thorium reactors any way they can. Our current models are DANGEROUS!

I also suspect we got enough bombs already - don' need no more.

Oh, on India - I know. I remember once, I was sitting around with a couple of Indian friends. We were talking about their government (this was about 10 years ago). One of them signed and said; "Our government wants EVERYTHING!". They have a leader, now, that understands that very well indeed.

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#321258 - 02/08/20 09:37 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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India actually has too much of one thing: People. Just like China. They have too many people for the modern infrastructure, so only a fraction of their citizens can participate in all the modern conveniences. So they keep large populations locked into inferior roles. India by caste. China by local registration.

Maybe corona virus will solve that problem.

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