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#323477 - 03/28/20 02:55 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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Trump ran to the left of Clinton in 2016, as I recall. This is an easy layup so why would he not do it again?
Hes on record stating that it would have been much harder to win if Sanders was his opponent. Just as it would be now.

Unified party opposition to a leftist democratic candidate speaks volumes about the current Democratic Party positioning. Its enfeebled candidate is symbolic of the party itself.

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#323480 - 03/28/20 03:41 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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Trump's overall approval numbers keep improving.

For the first time since 14 Mar 2017, over three years ago those who disapprove of Trump Job Performance has dropped below 50%. Currently nationwide, Trump job approval is at 47.0%, Disapprove 49.3%. The 47.3% is the highest overall approval percentage ever or since he took office. How long will this improvement last, I don't know? But I'm certainly going to keep an eye on it.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html


The bump in approval ratings is short lived.
Even Jimmy Carter enjoyed an increase in approval at the outset of the Iran Hostage Crisis...and then...
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#323481 - 03/28/20 03:47 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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The hypocritical silence from the liberal political and media class is deafening.

It seemed like only yesterday when the media was all aghast at the allegation that Sanders said something to Warren that was considered sexist.

Still, Trump will be having no problems bringing up Taras allegation should Biden be left in the ring by his handlers.

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#323483 - 03/28/20 04:00 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Very true Jeffrey. Same for Bush after 9-11 when he shot up to 90%, then began a very steady decline. 6 months later Bush was down to 70% and a year later down to 55%.

The decline was even more noticeable among democrats, 84% right after 9-11 down to 49% 6 months later, falling to 37% a year after 9-11. It took independents 3 years to drop below 50%.

I don't think it will last either. Now I follow independents as usually they decide elections. The fact independents have risen from 42% approval to 49% is significant at this time. Their disapproval has dropped from 52% down to 45%. Nothing there that is eye popping, but worth noting. Trump won the independent vote in 2016 with only a 40% favorable rating among them. Of course Hillary's was at 27%. Questions 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

Biden is much more liked among independents than Hillary was. So I don't expect a repeat. If the election was held today, Biden would win easily. He leads Trump in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina and is tied with him in Wisconsin. All states Trump won in 2016.
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#323489 - 03/28/20 05:48 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Its enfeebled candidate is symbolic of the party itself.

Old, out of touch, past its prime, but with a questionable resume, and no marketable skills.
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#323495 - 03/28/20 07:47 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I suspect that Biden will have a very real shot at universal healthcare. He has already said that he wants to re-institute Obamacare and then add the option for medicare. Now, if he can work out the finances of this one he will be very close. I am basing this on Bernie's claim that the current Covid-19 thing is proving the inadequacies of our current system as that rock has been turned over for everybody to see. Biden has to be careful, take it slow but steady and he might actually pull it off.

It will be interesting. There are, for instance, those who literally hate Biden and will fight anything he wants to do because of that hate. Hopefully they will back off and give a chance. There is, however, that weird habit Democrats have of going after one another instead of the opposition. Hopefully they will back off a little but I tend to doubt it. Right now they are busily going after one another instead of Trump which kinda blends my mind. Examples of that one were on full display during the previous, so-called, debates (also recognized as 'food fights' of the children/candidates)

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#323497 - 03/28/20 08:10 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I suspect that Biden will have a very real shot at universal healthcare.

Trump is going to run on universal healthcare after this virus thing... mark my words.
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#323500 - 03/28/20 10:12 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: jgw]
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I don't hate Biden, I think he's just a terrible choice for anything except Geritol commercials and maybe lobbying for the AARP.

More than likely, democrats will take control of everything for the next couple of years, hopefully they will make some incremental gains in healthcare before Republicans return to power in 2024.
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#323503 - 03/28/20 11:51 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: jgw
I suspect that Biden will have a very real shot at universal healthcare.

Trump is going to run on universal healthcare after this virus thing... mark my words.


What, the kind where he cuts it off if you're not nice to him?
I think most people are getting sick and tired of that in short order.
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#323505 - 03/29/20 12:22 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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He doesn't care. He'll do whatever it takes to close the deal. He's already sparking to what a $2 trillion giveaway of our money debt will buy him. He has no political ideology, just pure unethical salesmanship, and too many Americans are rubes.

He's a master con man. We need Bernie to neutralize him, not Biden.


Edited by logtroll (03/29/20 12:24 AM)
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