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#313258 - 08/08/19 12:39 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Hitler was totalitarian, Pres. Trump is not. To say Trump is like Hitler in any way is ludicrous!

It's clear that Trump would like to be, though. Let's do him a favor and remove the opportunity...
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#313260 - 08/08/19 01:06 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: logtroll]
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When we use words, I like for us all to be using the same definitions for them.

to·tal·i·tar·i·an

1.
relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
"a totalitarian regime"
synonyms: authoritarian, autocratic, autarchic, dictatorial, tyrannical, oppressive, repressive, one-party, monocratic, absolute, absolutist, undemocratic, antidemocratic, illiberal, despotic, fascist, fascistic, Nazi, neo-Nazi, Stalinist; dystopian
"a totalitarian state"

From all I can gather about his leadership style Donald Trump is definitely an authoritarian. Not much doubt about whether he's an autocrat either. Autarchic?*sighs and Googles* Yeah that too. Really not an uncommon trait among corporate moguls....jeeeex he's all of those things! Except the Nazi stuff. Trump comes from a completely different place. I don't know if he's even a racist.
Donald Trump is classist. He has no issue with people of color who he perceives to be in the same class as him. Crown Prince Mohammad bin Bloodyhands is a Muslim who is welcome here any time...

So yeah....If the above definition is the one were going to use then Donald John Trump is a totalitarian.
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#313272 - 08/08/19 07:42 PM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Greger]
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#313285 - 08/08/19 11:36 PM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Il Douche d'Orange.
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#313293 - 08/09/19 03:28 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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def totalitarian::"relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state" and let me quote King Louis XIV, "L'etat c'est moi" (I am the state)

When people make the comparison they are implying Mr Trump would like to have a centralized state with complete dictatorial control over that state ... and remember he requires complete subservience to the state ... for he is the state.

If the comparison eludes one .... look with objectivity
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#313295 - 08/09/19 03:34 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: jgw]
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Trump and his followers share that childish fantasy. ( "L'etat c'est moi" ) It reflects a complete misunderstanding of how America's political system works. We've had Checks and Balances right from the start. An assault on it is an assault on America.

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#313392 - 08/10/19 08:52 PM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: jgw]
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Quote:
"Communism killed more people than the Nazis did!"


Why does this oft-repeated piece of apologetics keep getting repeated on an endless loop all day long by the Right?
Is it a veiled means of inoculating against criticism of Nazism.
What is the expected response, something along the lines of
"Hey, I might be a Nazi but we're better than the commies!" ??
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#313409 - 08/11/19 04:36 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: jgw]
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And don't forget: "Hitler was a Socialist because his Party was named National Socialist."

Yeah, just like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy.

Actually the Nazis rounded up and sent to the Death Camps any leftist they could find very early in the Third Reich.

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#313414 - 08/11/19 12:51 PM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Quote:
"Communism killed more people than the Nazis did!"

Nope. Hitler killed about 11m. Communism killed slightly more than 1m.

Source

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#313415 - 08/11/19 03:53 PM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Ya'll aint countin' Stalin's regime then...5-7 million. Mostly starved as he tried to implement communism in the early 30s.

When you get right down to the nuts and bolts of it, Donald Trump isn't a "totalitarian". He isn't really anything. An overbearing assh*le more than anything else. A bull in a china shop. He didn't become a leader by leading and has no clue how to go about it. He didn't get rich by earning money and has no idea how the economy works. He's a small minded vindictive prick and a bully.

Though Hitler's regime may be unequaled in it's sheer brutality,
Trump's regime is certainly unequaled in it's sheer incompetence.
But he'll be gone in 2020 and dead within a few years, he'll leave no legacy except that of a bankrupted nation.
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