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#311148 - 02/23/19 02:10 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Sanders got over 600k volunteers already. He's off to a strong start.


600k volunteers? or 6k?

I'm still thinking Bernie's gonna steamroller the rest of the field.

I'm seeing a few hit pieces in the press aimed at him. I read a couple and they sound like they were translated from the Russian they were written in.

Y'know...if I was into revenge politics I might be kind of excited if we elected a card carrying socialist in answer to the Trump fiasco.

Republican heads would be exploding like pumpkins on the Fourth of Halloween.
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#311149 - 02/23/19 02:39 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Now that was an inspired post Greger.

Bernies plan sounds wonderful but who is going to pay for it? Will taxpayers agree to have their taxes raised hugely--to borrow a word? Or will there simply be more US debt issued that someone will willingly snap up?

And donít tell me about the military budget being eviscerated. That simply will not happen. From what I have read of your posts over the years Greger we both seem to agree about the concept of what is politically possible, and what is simply not.

Bring it on Chunky! Am I being too weak?
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#311150 - 02/23/19 03:45 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Ken Condon]
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Now that was an inspired post Greger.

Bernies plan sounds wonderful but who is going to pay for it? Will taxpayers agree to have their taxes raised hugely--to borrow a word? Or will there simply be more US debt issued that someone will willingly snap up?

And donít tell me about the military budget being eviscerated. That simply will not happen. From what I have read of your posts over the years Greger we both seem to agree about the concept of what is politically possible, and what is simply not.

Bring it on Chunky! Am I being too weak?


It's not even that. I'd love to see Bernie get elected but it is a mathematical impossibility because, just like in 2016, Bernie Sanders is going to run the Indy 500 WITH THE GODDAMN PARKING BRAKE ON...

AGAIN!!!

And guess what the Democratic Party will do? (and they will do it legally this time)
They'll dry up any and all money for him, because he is not a Democrat.
And they'll shut him out of debates, because he is not a Democrat.
And so on and so on and so on and so on.
Because he is not a Democrat.

And yet somehow, in ways that NOBODY has managed to explain, either last time or this time, or the next time, somehow...Bernie is supposed to magically be able to overcome this handicap AND campaign AND get the same media exposure AND get party support AND up and downstream funding, and get a fair shot on the ballot in all fifty states.

Legal? Did I say legal? I meant "as legal as it's ever going to be"...all up in here.

And in this magical Bernie world, Lucy also doesn't yank the football away at the last second.
And we all get whirled peas, too.

It's like that scene in "Downfall" where the Fuhrer is moving army divisions around on the map but those army divisions don't exist anymore. Bernie is making another fundamental lapse in judgment.

Are we really going to do a repeat of 2016?
Sell me on why we're not. Sell me on why he can win as an auslander, as an independent outside of the two major parties.
Sell me on this magical rainbow farting unicorn idea, please.
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#311151 - 02/23/19 04:05 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Ken Condon]
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Ken, there's plenty of money out there and plenty of places gubmint can skim it off the top.

I'm fond of Transaction taxes. A wee tax on every digital transaction that takes place anywhere for any reason.

Social Security is an easy fix, raise the cap...and not just a little bit.

Healthcare might be a straight deduction from your paycheck. The bigger the paycheck, the bigger the deduction.

One program at a time...one tax at a time...we just need to get started cause the grits done hit the pan and there's an awful mess that needs to be cleaned up.
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#311153 - 02/23/19 04:36 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Are we really going to do a repeat of 2016?


Most likely yes. Either Biden or Beto(or Biden and Beto) vs Bernie.

If Bernie wins the Democratic nomination(and he certainly could) Howard Shultz will run against him, if they nominate a centrist he won't run.

It's complicated.

And there's something to be said for having a milquetoast liberal president signing bills coming up from an increasingly activist legislature.

We should know in a week or so what Beto plans to do...

Biden leading in all the polls...yeah we're gonna do it again. Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!
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#311220 - 02/25/19 07:12 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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1 million have volunteered to the Sanders campaign since his announcement.

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#311222 - 02/25/19 08:04 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Yep, just what we need! An 80 year old president!

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#311226 - 02/25/19 09:55 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Between another corporate serving neoliberal democrat or grandpa......
Go grandpa!

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#311231 - 02/26/19 01:30 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Between Grandpa Biden and Grandpa Bernie I'd prefer Bernie.

If Bernie gets the nomination will the centrists sit home?
Or flock to Howard Shultz because the S word...?
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#311232 - 02/26/19 04:14 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Sanders raises 10 million in first week. 40% from new donors.
The knives will be out for him from here till November.

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