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#313363 - 08/10/19 02:40 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
No, the GOP is not trying to imitate the Democrats. The history of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy in America is also the history of the Democrats.
LOL - Welcome back. Actually, the history of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy is the history of racists, nationalists and white supremacists. That they used to predominate in one party and migrated into the other is just happenstance. (And who says Republicans oppose migration!) As it is currently, the history of the Republican party is currently one of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy. That will continue to the be the case as long as the party embraces Trump and Trumpism.

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#313364 - 08/10/19 02:41 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
To have more rational, not emotional voices, in the House elect more Republicans.
Out of curiosity, who would those rational non-emotional voices be attached to?
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#313365 - 08/10/19 02:48 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The reasons the Southern Democrats switched to the Republican Party had nothing to do with race. It was due to the Democrat's opposition to the war in Vietnam. The southern Democrats were strong supporters of our military. When the Democrats started to cut defense spending, which helped get the southern Democrats reelected, a lot of our country's military bases are located in the southern states, the southern Democrats joined the Republican Party to protect the military bases in their districts. In many of those districts a military base was their biggest source of revenue. Cutting defense spending hurt the economy of the southern states.
That is an interesting historical assertion. Do you have anything that supports it? Any citations, references? This chart seems to refute that assertion: As does this one:
which shows that Democrats controlled both Houses throughout this period.


Edited by NW Ponderer (08/10/19 02:51 PM)

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#313366 - 08/10/19 02:53 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: pdx rick]
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Southerners have in general as a group been more conservative than the rest of the population dating since before the Revolutionary War. It was in fact Southerners who revolted against Republicans who supported abolishing slavery and turned to the Democrat Party. Thus we see at an early date how racism had driven more conservative voters to join the Democrat Party.

My question still remains for racists or white supremacists or white nationalists, what is the virtue of racism?
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#313367 - 08/10/19 02:53 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Greger]
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Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did

What did The Nation do?

Apparently they quoted Atwater. That is dirty pool. A cesspool, even.

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#313369 - 08/10/19 03:05 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Just a guess but ... I suspect he is trying to universalize the smaller, but more vocal progressive or more liberal wing of the Democrat Party, which did indeed oppose the Viet Nam War, as being the actual party in power, which it was not. I can't imagine any Republican considering Pres Johnson, or Sec McNamara, or Gen Westmoreland as being soft on commies or the war effort.
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#313370 - 08/10/19 03:53 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Greger
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Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did

What did The Nation do?

Apparently they quoted Atwater. That is dirty pool. A cesspool, even.

It's like when Trump is accurately quoted, and then Trump turns around and says it's "fake news."

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#313371 - 08/10/19 04:33 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: NW Ponderer]
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NW Ponderer, could you provide a link to those charts? As a seasoned citizen my eyesight isn't what it used to be and I can't read them. Being unable to read them makes it difficult to obtain the information they provide.
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#313372 - 08/10/19 05:02 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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NW Ponderer, could you provide a link to those charts? As a seasoned citizen my eyesight isn't what it used to be and I can't read them. Being unable to read them makes it difficult to obtain the information they provide.
Happily, although I posted them from a different device. Defense Spending is from Wikipedia, as is the other, Party Control of House and Senate.

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#313374 - 08/10/19 05:23 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Conservatives like Tucker Carlson wants us to believe that white supremacists just love Trump because he's dapper and charming.

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Conservatives like Tucker Carlson are increasingly resorting to espousing theories like "the Great Replacement".

That is straight out of the last great American white supremacist heyday, the 1920's.
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