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#313335 - 08/09/19 07:24 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
How long was the entire interview? You don't think it might be possible that The Nation, a very liberal publication, selected a small portion of the interview to further its claim that the GOP's southern strategy was racist?


Please tell me that you are NOT ignorant about Lee Atwater.
The man even expressed remorse from his deathbed for his antics.
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#313336 - 08/09/19 08:00 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Please tell me that you are NOT ignorant about Lee Atwater. The man even expressed remorse from his deathbed for his antics.
Lee Atwater's sleazy tactics do not excuse similar ones by The Nation. Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did because you agree with the magazine? If that is the case remember "No one who throws mud has clean hands."
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#313341 - 08/09/19 08:17 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did

What did The Nation do?
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#313348 - 08/09/19 10:56 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
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Please tell me that you are NOT ignorant about Lee Atwater. The man even expressed remorse from his deathbed for his antics.
Lee Atwater's sleazy tactics do not excuse similar ones by The Nation. Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did because you agree with the magazine? If that is the case remember "No one who throws mud has clean hands."


I could have pulled Lee Atwater's speech or a transcript from any of a thousand sources.
Wikipedia
Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story

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Ed Rollins, however, stated in the 2008 documentary Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story, that "[Atwater] was telling this story about how a Living Bible was what was giving him faith and I said to Mary [Matalin], 'I really, sincerely hope that he found peace.' She said, 'Ed, when we were cleaning up his things afterwards, the Bible was still wrapped in the cellophane and had never been taken out of the package', which just told you everything there was. He was spinning right to the end."
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#313349 - 08/09/19 10:59 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Lee Atwater's sleazy tactics do not excuse similar ones by The Nation.


Lee Atwater's tactics are what cemented in place for all time the sea change in the South from segregationist Dixiecrats and Solid South Southern Dems to Red State Republicans.
LBJ mourned that the Dems would "lose the South for a generation" when he signed the Civil Rights Act.

LBJ was an optimist.

And again, pretending that the Democratic Party never underwent any change in platform between 1865 and 1965 is a fool's errand and appears so to anybody who opens a history book.
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#313352 - 08/10/19 02:11 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Maybe the southern strategy wasn't racist at all! Maybe the GOP just wanted more toothless uneducated southern rednecks in their number. That they hated black people was mere coincidence.

That it has led to a party made up almost entirely of white people who hate black people is also mere coincidence.

Denial of racism is on about the same order as denial of global climate change. The proof is there, you need only open your eyes.


Conservatives like Tucker Carlson wants us to believe that white supremacists just love Trump because he's dapper and charming.

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#313353 - 08/10/19 02:20 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I really need to stop bringing a MQ-9 Reaper to a knife fight. coffee

Oh well... Hmm
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#313357 - 08/10/19 04:30 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Southern Democrats have been driven by racism since before the war of northern aggression, and for the next century racism was the binding force which cemented Southern Democrat control of the South. The increasingly more liberal views of Northern Democrats on the issue of segregation disaffected Southern Democrats who began the exodus from the Party and began voting Republican in national elections. They continued voting for Southern Democrats in local races because they could continue to control the social issues locally.

Mr Trump's election exposed the Republican base as racist. It has been known to all who would consider the question objectively. No longer can Republicans ignore the racist makeup of the base as is easily evidenced by the fear Republicans have of Mr Trump. He has become the public voice of their racism, which demands Republicans pledge loyalty to Mr Trump or suffer the consequences of being primaried by racial extremists.

A historical rewrite of history to protect racial injustices perpetrated by the Republican base is so distasteful as to be odious.
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#313359 - 08/10/19 06:09 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
Southern Democrats have been driven by racism since before the war of northern aggression, and for the next century racism was the binding force which cemented Southern Democrat control of the South. The increasingly more liberal views of Northern Democrats on the issue of segregation disaffected Southern Democrats who began the exodus from the Party and began voting Republican in national elections. They continued voting for Southern Democrats in local races because they could continue to control the social issues locally.

Mr Trump's election exposed the Republican base as racist. It has been known to all who would consider the question objectively. No longer can Republicans ignore the racist makeup of the base as is easily evidenced by the fear Republicans have of Mr Trump. He has become the public voice of their racism, which demands Republicans pledge loyalty to Mr Trump or suffer the consequences of being primaried by racial extremists.

A historical rewrite of history to protect racial injustices perpetrated by the Republican base is so distasteful as to be odious.

Let's all be clear about this: Racism and bigotry are not Democrat or Republican issues - these issues of racism and bigotry are 100% Conservative issues.

As we have seen in our history, being a Democrat or Republican is fluid and has changed over time.

Being a Conservative or Liberal is static and the only ideologies that have remained consistent throughout America's history.

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#313362 - 08/10/19 01:12 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: NW Ponderer]
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ALL Conservative will always state the KKK was started by Democrats and Jim Crow Laws were written by Democrats.

Curiously, ALL Conservatives leave out the part that it was Conservative Democrats who started the KKK and it was Conservative Democrats who wrote the Jim Crow Laws.

Now why would a Conservative dishonestly tell half of the story? Because the filthy lying Conservative who knowingly and willingly lies by omission to save face is a bald-faced conniving sociopath. - that's why. Hmm
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