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#313806 - 08/15/19 02:29 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
I see electability being used by the pundit class again. No shame with them. I just wondered what you had that made you think he was not as electable. It's a fair question to a discredited qualifier isn't it?


-Dude, it's a totally fair question.
My opinion only, after eighty years of hysteria over the tag "socialism", I think Bernie's big mistake is something mothers learn early when it is time to give small children medicine.
You trick or fool them into thinking it is tasty and you choose medicine that doesn't have an unpleasant flavor.

Plenty of Americans have already learned that socialism isn't a big bad scary word, plenty have learned that we're not going to turn into Venezuela.
But still "not enough" of them. Not yet, maybe not enough in the next ten years. (depending on other factors)

So why not do what politicians do all the time?
FDR even argued that his ideas weren't socialism and by the time he was done, the only people who still thought so were people who never voted for him and NEVER WOULD anyway.

If Bernie can manage to hit the same levels, this argument of mine will be moot and I would be delighted if it turns out that way.

Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

I'm not trying to defend Sanders from any criticism. I'm challenging the idea of 'electability'. You can vote for Biden or Butttigieg or anyone else. It's this weird 'electability' that gets used, usually to destroy a candidate's public perception by punditry. 2016 should have schooled most everyone.

Was it the Iowa fair crowds? The corn kernel vote? I'm just asking.


No, it's not anything except a question of marketing pizazz.
I am NOT one of those pundits, I'm a guy who grew up during the tail end of the Red Scare.
This is familiar territory to me.
Republicans have invested gazillions into recreating the HUAC era all over again and now they have an ARMY of Joe McCarthy's, not just the one.

So why doesn't Bernie rope a dope them?
He should and he is capable of doing it, he's way smarter than they are.
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#313839 - 08/15/19 08:07 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Not sure I would agree with the socialist boogeyman theory.

4 million new millennial voters come on line every year. Boomers numbers will be reducing. Millennials have a higher favorability for socialism than capitalism. It's an entirely different set of economic circumstances facing them than faced boomers.

Sanders ran as a democratic socialist and didn't seem to have much of a problem with it. He had more problems with the press and DNC than with voters themselves.

I just don't think red baiting is the handy tool it once was.


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#313841 - 08/15/19 08:14 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Not sure I would agree with the socialist boogeyman theory.

4 million new millennial voters come on line every year. Boomers numbers will be reducing. Millennials have a higher favorability for socialism than capitalism. It's an entirely different set of economic circumstances facing them than faced boomers.

Sanders ran as a democratic socialist and didn't seem to have much of a problem with it. He had more problems with the press and DNC than with voters themselves.

I just don't think red baiting is the handy tool it once was.


I am inclined to agree with you if for no other reason than the sands of time. You want I should help you pick up that big-ass hourglass and we both shake it up and down real hard to make the sand move faster?

I'd give it a try. But I doubt we can hurry it up enough in time for 2020. In 2024 it's a pretty good bet my argument will be 100% moot and yours will be the only logical one.

I promise you Chunks, you will not see me crying or whining about that. I'll be relieved.
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#313848 - 08/15/19 09:11 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Our Rvolution
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If your serious bout giving it a good shake...
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#313850 - 08/15/19 09:23 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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4 million new millennial voters come on line every year. Boomers numbers will be reducing. Millennials have a higher favorability for socialism than capitalism. It's an entirely different set of economic circumstances facing them than faced boomers.

No new Millenial voters have "come on line" for several years. The youngest Millenial is 25 now and the oldest around 40. If boomers thought Millenials were weird just wait til the Z-Gen starts voting in earnest.

These younger kids are like millenials on steroids.
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#313851 - 08/15/19 09:24 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Our Rvolution
Justice Democrats
Working Families Party

If your serious bout giving it a good shake...
laugh


I was one of the first to sign up with WFP.
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#313852 - 08/15/19 09:26 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Right on! Well sometimes something good will fall out of NY...
FDR for one.
AOC for another!

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#313854 - 08/15/19 09:30 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Your right Gregor. I kinda lump em all the same as I get older. But you made my point better. I agree with you cept there's an allful lot of racism cropping up in those younger yutes too

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#313925 - 08/17/19 02:46 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Your right Gregor. I kinda lump em all the same as I get older. But you made my point better. I agree with you cept there's an allful lot of racism cropping up in those younger yutes too


And some of them are channeling all that crap into hundred round magazines. They load up on Orwellian Doublespeak from TrumpCo and now they're wound up. Watch 'em go.
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#313954 - 08/18/19 01:48 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Well, on his worst day Biden's about 1000 times less likely to "misspeak" than Trump. But I guess we don't hold Trump to any standards at all now.


But on his supposedly best day, he seems anxious to appease Republicans.

‘There’s an awful lot of really good Republicans out there’: Joe Biden at Cape Cod fundraiser

Yeah we know, Joe. But at the outset of the 2020 Democratic campaign season, who exactly are you signalling to? Most of those "really good Republicans" already left the party, and most of the ones that still remain are the Party of Trump.

Is Lindsey Graham one of those really good Republicans? How about Steve King? Mitch McConnell? Is he a really good Republican, Joe?
What about Devin Nunes? Are you signalling to Nunes?

Are you sure you joined the right party?
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