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#313462 - 08/11/19 09:50 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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That the states were guilty of racial discrimination is a reason to not let any government be too powerful. It is the genius of our Constitution that gives our federal government the authority to enforce it when necessary. The "conservatives' who wrote, passed, and enforced segregation laws did so in violation of our Constitution. Segregation cannot exist without government approval and support.
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself." James Madison
The state governments did not control themselves. The idea that they could or would is why we have elections. However, when one political party, Democrats, controls state governments for decades the denial of a person's natural rights can and did happen.
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#313463 - 08/11/19 09:54 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
pdx rick did you run before you could walk? No, you did not. Just as you did not run before you could walk our government could not run, implement the radical ideas of freedom as widely as they are now, before it could walk. So for you to criticize our government's supposed failure to implement the radical ideas of freedom is at best 20/20 hindsight. At worst it is the ridiculous idea that someone could run before they could walk.


If the idea that the white man had inalienable rights, it would logically follow that women did too, and so did children, and so did slaves - basically everyone else also too had these same inalienable rights.

...but, because those "keep the status quo" aka "conserve and preserve" ideals got into the way - that didn't happen. smile

To assume that governments would act in a logical way is to expect that which cannot happen. All governments are run by human beings, who rarely behave logically.
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#313470 - 08/11/19 10:35 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
To assume that governments would act in a logical way is to expect that which cannot happen. All governments are run by human beings, who rarely behave logically.

No, ALL governments, until very recently, have been run by white patriarchal men. THAT was a problem.

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#313471 - 08/11/19 10:37 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Segregation cannot exist without government approval and support. .

Correct - and that hasn't happened since American government has became more progressive, inclusive, and diverse.

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#313472 - 08/11/19 10:40 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
However, when one political party, Democrats, controls state governments for decades the denial of a person's natural rights can and did happen.

If you're speaking to southern Democratic states, why do you insist on not telling the full story - that these states were run by Conservative Democrats?

Hmm
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#313475 - 08/11/19 10:50 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick

ISIS or American Conservative?

Theocracy for government
Holy book as Science
Their religion is the only real one
Become violent when others speak against them
Guns solve everything
Accept only their own 'kind'

Hmm

Here is another example of pdx rick's ignorance. I'm an atheist.


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#313477 - 08/11/19 11:12 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Here is another example of pdx rick's ignorance.


I didn't see anywhere that rick said Senator Hatrack was any sort of religion. He was actually talking about Evangelicals within the Conservative community trying to impose theocracy on everyone else, in spite of their religious or atheist beliefs. As an atheist, this should concern the Senator a lot more than the rest of us who let everyone believe we are nominally Christian.

This seems to be a major disconnect: We have Freedom of Religion right there in the Constitution, yet even though they insist that Atheism is a religion, they want to discriminate against them. For that matter, a lot of them want to discriminate against Jews and Muslims as well.

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#313480 - 08/11/19 11:40 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
For that matter, a lot of them want to discriminate against Jews and Muslims as well.

It's interesting to me that the American Evangelical will insist that Christianity is not one of the three Abrahamic religions, when, in fact it is.

American evangelicals are loathe to admit any connection to Islam, when there are many connections between the two religions.
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#313481 - 08/11/19 11:41 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Here is another example of pdx rick's ignorance. I'm an atheist.

So you check the rest of the boxes? smile Sorry that I #Trigger you, bro. My bad. Hmm
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#313490 - 08/12/19 12:36 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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If you are, you're dead meat if Trump 2020 "payback mode" kicks in.

As someone is actively involved in Trump's reelection campaign, no I am not.
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