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#313619 - 08/13/19 06:56 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Registered: 08/03/04
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
"My maternal grandparents were forced out of their own businesses by Mussolini's Blackshirts. There was nothing socialist or lefty about it either."
Before Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile created Fascism they were both Socialists. They created Fascism because they saw that the future predicted by Marx in his writings was not happening. To make Socialism advance, as the good socialists that they were, they created Fascism as an updating of the ideas of Marx.
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/fascisms-karl-marx/


By moving it all to the extreme right.
When you marinate fish in lye, does the meat turn acid or alkaline by pH reading?

Again, must I explain the difference between a collective and a cartel?
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#313621 - 08/13/19 07:08 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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By the way, you DO realize that D'Souza is a conspiracy theorist who thinks that the recent mail bombing attempts on Democrats was all part of a "false flag" campaign of

Quote:
"Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs."


MAIL BOMBS ARE 'FALSE FLAG' TO DISTRACT FROM 'HORDES OF ILLEGAL ALIENS,' CLAIM CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATORS

And yet somehow authorities managed to capture and arrest a very REAL person, who was not an actor!
Cesar Sayoc




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#313626 - 08/13/19 07:18 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
By the way, you DO realize that D'Souza is a conspiracy theorist who thinks that the recent mail bombing attempts on Democrats was all part of a "false flag" campaign of

Quote:
"Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs."


MAIL BOMBS ARE 'FALSE FLAG' TO DISTRACT FROM 'HORDES OF ILLEGAL ALIENS,' CLAIM CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATORS

And yet somehow authorities managed to capture and arrest a very REAL person, who was not an actor!
Cesar Sayoc





Another attempt to discredit the source because you can't refute what it says.
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#313627 - 08/13/19 07:27 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 14174
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
By the way, you DO realize that D'Souza is a conspiracy theorist who thinks that the recent mail bombing attempts on Democrats was all part of a "false flag" campaign of

Quote:
"Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs."


MAIL BOMBS ARE 'FALSE FLAG' TO DISTRACT FROM 'HORDES OF ILLEGAL ALIENS,' CLAIM CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATORS

And yet somehow authorities managed to capture and arrest a very REAL person, who was not an actor!
Cesar Sayoc





Another attempt to discredit the source because you can't refute what it says.


Discrediting the source is sometimes a valid tool, when it is clear the source is spinning lies.
I refuted D'Souza by merely pointing out that his false flag argument was in fact a lie. Cesar Sayoc is not an actor and he got twenty years for his bombing attempts.
And he's one of YOURS.

You can't hide behind convenient pablums like "discrediting the source because you can't refute" when in point of fact the source WAS REFUTED.

Dinesh D'Souza is a convicted criminal AND a liar, and a revisionist.

On May 20, 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one felony charge of using a "straw donor" to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign. On September 23, he was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years probation, and a $30,000 fine.

And of course...
On May 31, 2018, D'Souza was issued a full pardon by President Donald Trump.

But bear in mind that a pardon does not mean you're guilty, it just means you've been pardoned for your crime.

Bill Clinton pardoned hardened criminals too.
Doesn't mean that Marc Rich wasn't a criminal.
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#313628 - 08/13/19 07:30 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Senator Hatrack Online   happy
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
"My maternal grandparents were forced out of their own businesses by Mussolini's Blackshirts. There was nothing socialist or lefty about it either."
Before Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile created Fascism they were both Socialists. They created Fascism because they saw that the future predicted by Marx in his writings was not happening. To make Socialism advance, as the good socialists that they were, they created Fascism as an updating of the ideas of Marx.
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/fascisms-karl-marx/


By moving it all to the extreme right.
When you marinate fish in lye, does the meat turn acid or alkaline by pH reading?

Again, must I explain the difference between a collective and a cartel?

Those on the left must belief that Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology because they want to distance themselves from it. The idea that Fascism is a right wing ideology was started by Josef Stalin. He said that because anyone who disagreed with him or was a threat to his power was a "fascist" rightist anti-revolutionary.
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch20-4.htm
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#313631 - 08/13/19 07:41 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Speaking of bombers Bill Ayers is a convicted bomber who served his time and has gone on to be a respected professor. A felon who was very helpful in getting Barack H. Obama's political career started. Apparently it is alright associate with a felon if they are a liberal.
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/p...m-the-beginning
"Dinesh D'Souza is a convicted criminal AND a liar, and a revisionist.

On May 20, 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one felony charge of using a "straw donor" to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign. On September 23, he was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years probation, and a $30,000 fine."

If this is not a further attempt to discredit the source I'm going to make a fortune putting swimming pools on the sun!
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The state can never straighten the crooked timber of humanity.
I'm a conservative because I question authority.
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#313633 - 08/13/19 08:08 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 14174
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Speaking of bombers Bill Ayers is a convicted bomber who served his time and has gone on to be a respected professor. A felon who was very helpful in getting Barack H. Obama's political career started. Apparently it is alright associate with a felon if they are a liberal.
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/p...m-the-beginning
"Dinesh D'Souza is a convicted criminal AND a liar, and a revisionist.

On May 20, 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one felony charge of using a "straw donor" to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign. On September 23, he was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years probation, and a $30,000 fine."

If this is not a further attempt to discredit the source I'm going to make a fortune putting swimming pools on the sun!


Whataboutism detected, with a potential charge of Gish Galloping.
Are we talking about Obama now?
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#313634 - 08/13/19 08:09 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 14174
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
"My maternal grandparents were forced out of their own businesses by Mussolini's Blackshirts. There was nothing socialist or lefty about it either."
Before Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile created Fascism they were both Socialists. They created Fascism because they saw that the future predicted by Marx in his writings was not happening. To make Socialism advance, as the good socialists that they were, they created Fascism as an updating of the ideas of Marx.
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/fascisms-karl-marx/


By moving it all to the extreme right.
When you marinate fish in lye, does the meat turn acid or alkaline by pH reading?

Again, must I explain the difference between a collective and a cartel?

Those on the left must belief that Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology because they want to distance themselves from it. The idea that Fascism is a right wing ideology was started by Josef Stalin. He said that because anyone who disagreed with him or was a threat to his power was a "fascist" rightist anti-revolutionary.
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch20-4.htm


Nowhere in that article does the phrase:

Quote:
because anyone who disagreed with him or was a threat to his power was a "fascist" rightist anti-revolutionary.

ever appear.

Sir, this is the weakest of weak sauces.
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#313636 - 08/13/19 08:17 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Senator Hatrack Online   happy
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Registered: 08/14/07
Posts: 1435
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
"My maternal grandparents were forced out of their own businesses by Mussolini's Blackshirts. There was nothing socialist or lefty about it either."
Before Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile created Fascism they were both Socialists. They created Fascism because they saw that the future predicted by Marx in his writings was not happening. To make Socialism advance, as the good socialists that they were, they created Fascism as an updating of the ideas of Marx.
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/fascisms-karl-marx/


By moving it all to the extreme right.
When you marinate fish in lye, does the meat turn acid or alkaline by pH reading?

Again, must I explain the difference between a collective and a cartel?

Those on the left must belief that Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology because they want to distance themselves from it. The idea that Fascism is a right wing ideology was started by Josef Stalin. He said that because anyone who disagreed with him or was a threat to his power was a "fascist" rightist anti-revolutionary.
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch20-4.htm


Nowhere in that article does the phrase:

Quote:
because anyone who disagreed with him or was a threat to his power was a "fascist" rightist anti-revolutionary.

ever appear.

I never said it did. I wrote the phrase because it is how Stalin saw anyone who disagreed with him.

Quote:
Sir, this is the weakest of weak sauces.

At times the truth is tepid but it is still the truth.
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The state can never straighten the crooked timber of humanity.
I'm a conservative because I question authority.
Conservative Revolutionary

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#313637 - 08/13/19 08:20 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Senator Hatrack Online   happy
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Registered: 08/14/07
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In regards to Bill Ayers and Barrack H. Obama you ignored this comment.
"Apparently it is alright associate with a felon if they are a liberal."
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