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#313491 - 08/12/19 12:37 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Here is another example of pdx rick's ignorance. I'm an atheist.

So you check the rest of the boxes? smile Sorry that I #Trigger you, bro. My bad. Hmm

I didn't and don't check any of the boxes.
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#313492 - 08/12/19 12:42 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
However, when one political party, Democrats, controls state governments for decades the denial of a person's natural rights can and did happen.

If you're speaking to southern Democratic states, why do you insist on not telling the full story - that these states were run by Conservative Democrats?

Hmm

I described what American Conservatism is. Yes, the Southern Democrats were conservative but conservatism is not always a good thing. Conservatism can be good or bad depending on what people are trying to conserve. Therefore any attempts to say that I am in agreement with the Southern Democrats is BS!
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#313494 - 08/12/19 12:53 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Therefore any attempts to say that I am in agreement with the Southern Democrats is BS!

Really? Hmm

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
As someone is actively involved in Trump's reelection campaign, no I am not.

Trump is the front and center racist spokesperson for white nationalism. gobsmacked

Quote:
“I am the least racist person you have ever met."
- Trump

* Nixon’s Justice Department sued Trump and his father Fred for barring blacks from their apartment buildings, it has been known that the president is a racist — and a congenital one at that.

* The history of the Central Park Five (Trump called for the death penalty for the accused teens), or the history of blacks who worked at his casinos (fine paid for discrimination, and much more) in Atlantic City.

* “Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control,” Trump said in a 1997 Playboy interview.

* “ Mexicans? “They’re rapists.” said Trump in 2015 after descending his gold elevator at Trump Tower

* White supremacists waving swastikas in Charlottesville? “Very fine people on both sides,” said Trump

* Haitian immigrants “all have AIDS,” said Trump

* African nations were “s---hole countries,” said Trump as POTUS

* “Once Nigerians have seen the United States, they would never ‘go back to their huts,’” said Trump
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#313497 - 08/12/19 02:17 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Quote:
Conservatism can be good or bad depending on what people are trying to conserve.


There we get down to it. What matters is exactly what you are trying to conserve. Child labor? Feudalism? Slavery? Jim Crow? the fixation on any certain era as being worth conserving en total, is filled with things we don't want to conserve. So the very definition of "Conservative" is meaningless.

I like Free Speech and a Free Press. Those are things I want to conserve. I like Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, too, so I think we need to get rid of police asset forfeiture barring a conviction. I'm not religious, but I like Freedom of Religion as well, as long as it stays out of government.

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#313499 - 08/12/19 02:45 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
[quote=Senator Hatrack]Therefore any attempts to say that I am in agreement with the Southern Democrats is BS!

Really? Hmm

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
As someone is actively involved in Trump's reelection campaign, no I am not.

Trump is the front and center racist spokesperson for white nationalism. gobsmacked

Quote:
“I am the least racist person you have ever met."
- Trump

Quote:
* Nixon’s Justice Department sued Trump and his father Fred for barring blacks from their apartment buildings, it has been known that the president is a racist — and a congenital one at that.

This old news. The Justice Dept sued a large number of landlords in NYC for doing that. Trump and his father and many other landlords there stopped their discriminatory practices because of the lawsuit.
Quote:
* The history of the Central Park Five (Trump called for the death penalty for the accused teens), or the history of blacks who worked at his casinos (fine paid for discrimination, and much more) in Atlantic City.
Trump and millions of others believed that the death penalty for some crimes is warranted, regardless of the color of the skin of the person accused of a crime. Trump's real estate business has thousands of employees. He does not have the time to micromanage it. To be successful he has to let those in the management of his business make decisions. If he were to try to make every single decision in regards to the operation of his businesses he would have time to do anything else. As in every large business there will be some who are in management that should not be.

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* “Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control,” Trump said in a 1997 Playboy interview.

Do you still believe everything you said in 1997? If you don't why should Trump, or anyone else, be expected to?
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* “ Mexicans? “They’re rapists.” said Trump in 2015 after descending his gold elevator at Trump Tower.

Since this "quote" of Trump's mentions his gold elevators the odds are very good that it was taken out of context.
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* White supremacists waving swastikas in Charlottesville? “Very fine people on both sides,” said Trump.

This was taken out of context. That comment was about the people in Charlottsville was in reference to two groups.
1) A group that wants a statue of Robert E. Lee taken down.
2) A group that wants the statue to remain standing.
He was not talking about the Neo-Nazis or Antifa.
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* Haitian immigrants “all have AIDS,” said Trump

Prove that Trump did say this.
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* African nations were “s---hole countries,” said Trump as POTUS

The source that quote is Sen. Dick Durbin. Durbin has a reputation for lying.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/25817/dic...edra#exit-modal
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* “Once Nigerians have seen the United States, they would never ‘go back to their huts,’” said Trump

Provide links to prove that Trump made that comment.
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#313500 - 08/12/19 03:15 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

The history of the Central Park Five (Trump called for the death penalty for the accused teens), or the history of blacks who worked at his casinos (fine paid for discrimination, and much more) in Atlantic City.
Trump and millions of others believed that the death penalty for some crimes is warranted, regardless of the color of the skin of the person accused of a crime. [/quote]

I think what you're missing is the fact that even after they were acquitted, even after DNA evidence came up blank, even after the real attacker CONFESSED!! Trump STILL DOUBLED DOWN, saying he STILL thinks they were guilty.


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* “Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control,” Trump said in a 1997 Playboy interview.


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

Do you still believe everything you said in 1997? If you don't why should Trump, or anyone else, be expected to?


Because when it comes to personality flaws of that nature, one needs to see indicators to the contrary. By all observable indicators, NOTHING has changed with regard to Trump's views on ethnic minorities. NOTHING.


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* White supremacists waving swastikas in Charlottesville? “Very fine people on both sides,” said Trump.


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

This was taken out of context. That comment was about the people in Charlottsville was in reference to two groups.
1) A group that wants a statue of Robert E. Lee taken down.
2) A group that wants the statue to remain standing.
He was not talking about the Neo-Nazis or Antifa.


The BIG LIE about Charlottesville:



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#313501 - 08/12/19 03:30 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...-sides-remarks/
Here is the interview in question. Pres. Trump was not referring to the Neo-Nazis or Antifa when he said there are very fine people on both sides. You didn't do much research to find the truth about the Charlottesville comments, all you did was go to a site that doesn't like Trump. Doing that is not a way to get the truth. Going to sources that reinforce your bias hurts your credibility, Jeffery. I took the time to find an unbiased source.
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#313503 - 08/12/19 04:03 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
This old news. The Justice Dept sued a large number of landlords in NYC for doing that. Trump and his father and many other landlords there stopped their discriminatory practices because of the lawsuit.

In other words, it's cool because "everyone" was doing it. smile


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Trump's real estate business has thousands of employees. He does not have the time to micromanage it.

Your rejoinder has to do with the Central Park 5, how exactly? Hmm


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Do you still believe everything you said in 1997?

Where's the personal responsibility that Conservatives advocate for? smile

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Since this "quote" of Trump's mentions his gold elevators the odds are very good that it was taken out of context.

Here's the full Trump quote: smile

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When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
- Real Clear Politics


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
This was taken out of context. That comment was about the people in Charlottsville was in reference to two groups.
1) A group that wants a statue of Robert E. Lee taken down.
2) A group that wants the statue to remain standing.
He was not talking about the Neo-Nazis or Antifa.

Here's an article you might enjoy: Debunking the ‘Charlottesville Hoax’ Theory Trump’s Defenders Are Using to Rewrite His Praise of White Nationalists

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Prove that Trump did say this.

Read and weep smile

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The source that quote is Sen. Dick Durbin. Durbin has a reputation for lying.

Read and weep:

Quote:
The White House issued a statement that did not deny the remarks...



Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Provide links to prove that Trump made that comment.

Ask, and Ye shall receive. smile
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#313504 - 08/12/19 04:05 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...-sides-remarks/
Here is the interview in question. Pres. Trump was not referring to the Neo-Nazis or Antifa when he said there are very fine people on both sides. You didn't do much research to find the truth about the Charlottesville comments, all you did was go to a site that doesn't like Trump. Doing that is not a way to get the truth. Going to sources that reinforce your bias hurts your credibility, Jeffery. I took the time to find an unbiased source.

Here is a YouTube of the "both sides" news conference. You can hear it straight from the Jackass' mouth. smile

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#313505 - 08/12/19 04:17 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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I'd like to point out this basic fundamental difference between Conservatism and LIberalsism:

Conservatism is a top-down vertical hierarchy; Liberalism is horizontal where everyone is on the same equal plane.
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