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#313731 - 08/14/19 08:57 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: NW Ponderer]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
"My maternal grandparents were forced out of their own businesses by Mussolini's Blackshirts. There was nothing socialist or lefty about it either."


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

Before Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile created Fascism they were both Socialists. They created Fascism because they saw that the future predicted by Marx in his writings was not happening. To make Socialism advance, as the good socialists that they were, they created Fascism as an updating of the ideas of Marx.
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/fascisms-karl-marx/


Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

Well, there's your problem right there, friend. Relying on Dinesh D'Souza for anything is like expecting poetry from the white pages. I can't think of a less principled propagandist, except James O'Keefe, or less reliable source for history.


Uhhhhh, Senator Hatrack's messed up post editing skills combined my post and his. And I can't bitch about it because I accidentally butchered one of his when I THOUGHT I was replying instead.

This part BELOW is from the Senator:

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Before Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile created Fascism they were both Socialists. They created Fascism because they saw that the future predicted by Marx in his writings was not happening. To make Socialism advance, as the good socialists that they were, they created Fascism as an updating of the ideas of Marx.
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/fascisms-karl-marx/


The part about my Italian gramps losing his businesses in Rapino at gunpoint while a wealthy landowner from Laquila stood grinning is my post.
The guys with the guns were not socialists. All my gramps ever talked about were "Il Duce and his fascists" and how they turned Italy into an armed camp.
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#313732 - 08/14/19 09:43 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Greger
Class hierarchy is truly the one thing conservatives intend on conserving. Conservatives of both parties.

Bougies and Proles...surely you've heard of them NWP? Even in the throes of end game capitalism the class hierarchy MUST be preserved, and con-served..
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't following the thought process.

THAT IS BULLSHIT!
As a conservative I have NEVER been concerned or even noticed what class a person is supposedly a member of. Separating people into a class is a Marxist idea. An idea that the left of today has now broaden into identity politics. The greatness of capitalism is that a whatever person's financial situation is that it can go up or down. There is no class hierarchy in conservatism. In the 50 plus years that I have been active in conservatism I have NEVER seen anyone put in a class!
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#313736 - 08/14/19 10:31 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Greger
Class hierarchy is truly the one thing conservatives intend on conserving. Conservatives of both parties.

Bougies and Proles...surely you've heard of them NWP? Even in the throes of end game capitalism the class hierarchy MUST be preserved, and con-served..
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't following the thought process.

THAT IS BULLSHIT!
As a conservative I have NEVER been concerned or even noticed what class a person is supposedly a member of. Separating people into a class is a Marxist idea. An idea that the left of today has now broaden into identity politics. The greatness of capitalism is that a whatever person's financial situation is that it can go up or down. There is no class hierarchy in conservatism. In the 50 plus years that I have been active in conservatism I have NEVER seen anyone put in a class!


Whaddya mean, the leading light in the White House is all about putting people in classes.
Sorry Hatrack but as Rick said, equality is horizontal.
The Right isn't concerned about anything egalitarian and never has been.

They don't even want everyone to vote!

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#313751 - 08/15/19 12:25 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Too bad there aren't any Conservatives running for president.

The leadership of the Senate isn't even Conservative. Where are all of the Conservatives??
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#313752 - 08/15/19 12:27 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: logtroll]
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#313753 - 08/15/19 12:35 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: logtroll]
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Is this guy a Conservative?

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#313755 - 08/15/19 01:08 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Whaddya mean, the leading light in the White House is all about putting people in classes.
Sorry Hatrack but as Rick said, equality is horizontal.
The Right isn't concerned about anything egalitarian and never has been.

They don't even want everyone to vote!


Pres. Trump is not what conservatism is. He has done somethings that are conservative but DO NOT confuse nor consider him to be a conservative.

No, conservatism is not egalitarian. Here is the definition of egalitarian.
"Affirming, promoting, or characterized by belief in equal political, economic, social, and civil rights for all people."
The inclusion of equal economic rights is why conservatism is not egalitarian. Equal economic rights is to make everyone's economic situation the same. That is socialistic. It is not the job or the responsibility of our government to level the economic playing field. While a lot of Paul Weyrich has done is conservative his desire to not let everyone vote is not. If people do not have the right to vote then we do not have a government that has the consent of the governed. The consent of the governed is one of the key elements of conservatism. It is one of the reasons our American Revolution was fought. The idea of taxation without representation is not a government that has the consent of the governed. It is unfortunate it took solong to extend the franchise to everyone. But our country is and always will be a work in progress.
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#313756 - 08/15/19 01:09 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Is this guy a Conservative?

Steve King

No, he is not!
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#313757 - 08/15/19 01:17 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Too bad there aren't any Conservatives running for president.

The leadership of the Senate isn't even Conservative. Where are all of the Conservatives??

Unfortunately that is true! Being a Republican is not the same thing as being a conservative. I am a Republican for the lack of a better alternative. That there will be an alternative to the Republican Party is very doubtful considering our "two party" system. The two parties are not the Democrats or the Republicans they are the Challengers and the Incumbents. But whenever a Challenger Party wins they become a member of the Incumbents' Party.
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#313758 - 08/15/19 01:26 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Pres. Trump is not what conservatism is. He has done somethings that are conservative but DO NOT confuse nor consider him to be a conservative.

Minor problem here... Trump is the new face of Conservatism. You been hijacked, Dude. Now what?
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