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#323276 - 03/23/20 08:33 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Why would you say that Jeff? Have I missed something in the news?
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#323278 - 03/23/20 08:35 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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And Chunks, what group are you in, I might like to join. Is it a Facebook group?
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#323279 - 03/23/20 08:56 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Why would you say that Jeff? Have I missed something in the news?


In the past, AOC has said that, in most countries, her and Biden would be in different parties, and that's definitely a fact, of course.

AOC: 'In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party'

She also has said that House Democrats' centrist wing are "the tea party of the left."

Now, with Biden clearly in the lead, she has endorsed him.



Quote:
"I think it's a two-way street. I've been concerned by some folks that say if Sanders is the nominee they won't support him and the other way around."


Will she be torched? Is she being torched now?

For the record, I'll repeat what I've said in the past...if suddenly by some miracle Sanders shoots back up into the lead and looks to be the presumptive nominee, I will support him.

I'd RATHER support him, I'd RATHER he be President, I'd RATHER the House and Senate stop being such idiots, I'd RATHER a whole BUNCH of things...but chief among them right now is:

I'd RATHER get rid of Trump by any means necessary, even if it means having to settle for Biden. Flaws may be many but he's not Trump and he's still better than Trump. A glass of water is better than Trump, and not because a glass of water is a good choice, but because Trump's own "glass of water" is infected, and that's not a wise choice under any circumstances.


Now, I understand that both you and Chunk don't share that.
Okay, there isn't a thing I can say or do that will change your minds, and with that I declare we're at an impasse.


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#323281 - 03/23/20 09:10 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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S'funny thing Jeff. No one is hectoring you who to vote for. It's too bad you don't extend the same courtesy.

You seem to think personal insults and sh!tposing about people will be convincing. Well seasoned with a
'perfect being the enemy of the good', 'lesser of two evils', etc etc that has lead us to the current state of politics we're enjoying today. Unless you have convincing logic to explain how doing the same as has always been done will lead to different outcomes, I don't see any argument your making.

How'd you like that Biden address he gave over the weekend?

That's who the Party establishment knee capped Sanders for. That is not a party who is on my side though, admittedly, it may be on yours.

I don't think Biden will be going to the convention anyhow. I agree with the arguments that there will be a swap out. His only purpose is to stop the Sanders movement with voters and he is clearly not up to the task of running against Trump.

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#323282 - 03/23/20 09:13 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
And Chunks, what group are you in, I might like to join. Is it a Facebook group?


I belong to the flat earth society. Sadly, we've lost one of our apostles recently but the struggle goes on without him.

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#323283 - 03/23/20 09:17 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Speaking of Russian hysteria, a good conversation with Hedges 'On Contact' talking about the parallels with Weimar collapse and our sorry state of affairs.

Careful, Jeff's taking names...


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#323293 - 03/24/20 03:00 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I don't like trying to draw parallels with the past in an attempt to predict the future. Each situation is unique, Rome fell and never rose again. Germany f*cked up about as bad as any country could possibly f*ck up TWICE, but rose above it and is currently getting along fine.

We're in uncharted territory here, the Visigoths are at the gates and the caged lions have been released and are wandering the streets...and what's that you say about a plague...?

I'm at a complete loss at this point and can't makes sense of what could or should happen, let alone make a guess at what's going to happen.
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#323296 - 03/24/20 04:11 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Yeah, isn’t there some philosophers somewhere that suggested that as something happened already it was impossible to happen again?
Empires do collapse though and Hedges has been covering some doozies. He’s made some interesting assessments of where he thinks we are along that timeline. Inability of ruling classes to govern effectively, a retreat into their forbidden cities, the populace being offered propaganda in exchange for beneficial policy, etc...
Time will be sorting that one out for us, I guess.

Meanwhile, our once potential CEO in chief:

MIKE BLOOMBERG LAYS OFF STAFFERS AFTER T...NS OUT MARCH 31

Real man of the people. Glad the party bent over to accommodate this guy in the primaries.


Edited by chunkstyle (03/24/20 04:14 AM)

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#323298 - 03/24/20 04:25 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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"Americans abroad are consistently a very blue voting bloc, and the turnout we've seen during the primary, as well as in voter turnout of general elections in 2016 and 2018, reflect that. Our voters believe in affordable healthcare and education, and a government that looks after its people -- both those citizens at home and abroad," said Amanda Mohar, the communications director for Democrats Abroad.“

Bernie Sanders wins Democrats Abroad primary

Mustuv liked what they found in other societies.

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#323304 - 03/24/20 11:26 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Like JJ, I will vote for who ever the Democratic candidate is. Whether Biden, or Sanders, or someone else. I just want President Donald (...) Trump* and as many Republicans as possible GONE! My bone pile with Republicans begins with President George W. Bush after 9/11.

Anyway, the way it looks, I am more interested in who will be Biden's or Burnie's running mate. There is a strong chance the VP will become the P with one of those two as President - stress kills. At least, with Biden, we know one thing about the possible running mate, they will be a woman.

There has been a lot of discussion between the wife and I about who Biden's running mate could be. We both think Stacy Abrams would be a great choice. At the minimum, it would mean we do not lose a Senator this election cycle. Leaving a greater chance of controlling the Senate for at least the next two years. Additionally, Stacy Abrams would bring the Black and possibly Hispanic vote. We both feel that Biden needs to pick a running mate who is not currently holding any office. The only person we feel that fills the bill is Stacy Abrams; beside it would give Republicans, the religious right and many conservatives a full on stroke...
*Impeached

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Edited by Ujest Shurly (03/24/20 11:26 AM)
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