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#311325 - 03/02/19 02:46 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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I think I like the red meat he just threw into the Democratic brawl.

Climate change...plain and simple.
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#311354 - 03/04/19 01:50 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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So Bernie had a rally in Brooklyn.
13,000 attended...
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#311356 - 03/04/19 12:04 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Over 12000 Chicago.

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#311358 - 03/04/19 01:34 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Hickenlooper and Inslee have jumped in. We may get to three debate nights.

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#311445 - 03/09/19 09:04 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Liz Warren wants to break up big tech. Maybe a good idea but unless all the Republicans emigrate to Israel or Russia or somesuch it aint never gonna fly. We can't even negotiate with big pharma, slobber all over ourselves giving money and cutting regulations for big oil, can't control big banks, bow down and give big ag everything it wants.

Big Government seems almost powerless to deal with big corporations...
Wonder why that is...?
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#311447 - 03/09/19 11:02 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I consider this kind of stuff an effort to not regulate. Most of our problems stem from the fact that gov no longer seems to have the capacity to regulate. Dealing with Amazon, Google and Facebook with breaking them up really means 1)gov won't regulate them, 2)gov can't regulate them, or 3)hurt them enough and maybe they will clean themselves up thereby relieving gov of that duty.

Take Amazon. This one really amazes me. Say you want to sell stuff on Amazon so you setup an account to do just that. You get really successful and suddenly Amazon is selling everything that you are selling at a better price! It is my understanding that this is, exactly, what Amazon does. Warren says she wants to do this for them little people. Baloney. What needs to be done is to stop Amazon from ripping off their sellers! (seems too simple to me)

Then there is Facebook. If you breakup Facebook it will just go away. It needs what it has to survive.

I am not really sure how one would breakup Google. It does do different things but I suspect they are all, in the end, related and interdependent. (probably wrong about this one too)

What I am saying is that if many folks, or gov, feel that any company is doing bad things then regulate them in an effort to stop the offensive stuff. If that doesn't work then either break them up or shut them down but try the regulations first. The trick, I suspect is to legislate this stuff instead of doing it all by presidential fiat.

Presidential fiat came into its own during the Obama time. The reason is that he couldn't get any legislation passed due to Republican intransigence (which they announced, on TV, when he got elected). Now the jackass administration sees this a the way to go - even if it does seem to be kinda neat to get around congress.

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#311451 - 03/10/19 01:30 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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On that "presidential fiat" thingie. Obama was just selective about priorities. For example, Congress passed laws saying deport all these people, but then only gave him enough money to deport 1/10th of them. Obama chose to concentrate on the criminals and leave the Dreamers alone. Makes perfect sense. It's up to the President to execute the laws. He was just trying to do the best he could.

Trump wants to take money the Congress has already allocated for other stuff for his wall, when the Congress said "no wall money". That's WAY WAY more of a power grab.

Also, re Amazon: Supermarkets have been offering their own inexpensive store brands for years, or maybe decades. That's what Amazon is doing. Nobody makes people buy the Amazon brand. Wanting to break up the Amazon/Whole Foods acquisition has nothing to do with anti-trust. It's just attacking a company because it's successful. Why not attack WalMart? Why not Big Pharma?

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#311456 - 03/10/19 03:34 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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And I say simply tax the living f*ck out of them. Not the rich guys personal income so much as the corporations that make them rich. And of course regulate the f*ck out of them so they aren't harming the environment, their employees, and people who have to live near industrial polluters.

But Republicans are against taxes and regulations...
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#311458 - 03/11/19 04:39 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Republicans are great for driving forward through their rear view mirror.
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#311557 - 03/14/19 01:43 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Beto's in!
I wonder how long he can be the empty vessel for voters to fill with their hopes and dreams?
I'm predicting another Obama style run from his camp. We'll see.

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