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#322787 - 03/13/20 11:43 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
...From now until January, Trump will continue to do his best to destroy America. He can't help it...

Trump pulled out of the intermediate missile treaty to allow Putin to move his missiles closer to Europe, He allowed Putin in Venezuela, He trashed NATO, tried to pull out of Syria, and Africa. He did pull out of Afghanistan. However, he has not been able to substantially reduce Russian sanctions due to the opposition in the Senate and the House.

Furthermore, with the Corona virus opportunity, Trump may never get a better chance to destroy the US economy, even if Trump says in power after the election.
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#322788 - 03/13/20 01:58 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pdx rick]
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Wow Rick,
Your straight up red scare propaganda/imperialist now.

We have our military on RUSSIAís literal border.

We have garrisoned the earth.

The economy isnít run by one man and who the hell likes the current economy, with its biblical (no exaggeration) wealth inequality, mass precarity and enormous debt leverage?

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#322793 - 03/13/20 05:50 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pdx rick]
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If the Dems fail to remove The Jackass Trump, after his incredible, ongoing, very public, display of gross incompetence, and ignorance, then they flat out deserve to lose!

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#322795 - 03/13/20 05:55 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pdx rick]
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There is hope that ol' Joe will do the right and progressive thing.


Is there...? I don't think so. He'll do the best he can, but it isn't going to be enough. Biden is going to get the nomination because he isn't Bernie Sanders and he will win the presidency because he isn't Donald Trump.

So who is he? Will he repeat Obama's bail out of the banks in the coming recession? Will he ignore the working class like Obama? His corporate donors and sponsors will be pushing for that.

But he isn't Obama either.

Did you know that Biden has never had a job? He graduated from law school in 1969 and was elected to office in 1970.

"Working class Joe" has never "worked" a day in his life. "Lunchbox Joe" has never carried his lunchbox to a job. He has never worked at anything besides getting re-elected.

His father was a used car salesman.
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#322804 - 03/13/20 11:51 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I voted early today, for Joe Biden in Georgia's Democratic Primary. What I want is a return to the more normal times of say, the Obama administration. What I don't want is a gigantic leap over the Grand Canyon to the left.

I don't expect miracles from Joe, just for him to get us back on an even keel. More or less steady, reliable leadership. It wouldn't both me a bit if no new programs were ever proposed or passed, just as long as this country get back on the right track. That all I expect, no more, no less.
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#322807 - 03/14/20 12:53 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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What I want is a return to the more normal times of say, the Obama administration.


Back in time....

What we really need is Dr. Who to take us back...back before it all went wrong. Then we never need to worry about the future.

What we've got is an uncertain future coming at us like gangbusters and there aint no going back.
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#322809 - 03/14/20 01:30 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I loved the first six doctors, but never could get back into it from the seventh doctor on.

If your idea is going fifty million miles left, just let me off the elevator. I doubt this nation has much life left in her due to party first politics anyway.
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#322817 - 03/14/20 03:04 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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My goal is two steps to the left. Maybe drop Medicare enrollment to 55 over 10 years, raise the federal minimum wage to $10. That'd be about all you could expect with Bernie or Liz at the helm. I expect nothing from Biden.

I understand your nostalgia for those peaceful years when you could hang effigies of the president and call his children and wife vile names. A sort of calm between two despotic Republicans. Biden might get us four years of calm but then along comes another Republican and away we go again. I'd have been happy with ANY other candidate, even Bloomberg. I'm a lefty and a socialist but I'm also aware of what can and can't be accomplished in Washington.

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#322823 - 03/14/20 01:12 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
My goal is two steps to the left. Maybe drop Medicare enrollment to 55 over 10 years, raise the federal minimum wage to $10. That'd be about all you could expect with Bernie or Liz at the helm. I expect nothing from Biden.

I understand your nostalgia for those peaceful years when you could hang effigies of the president and call his children and wife vile names. A sort of calm between two despotic Republicans. Biden might get us four years of calm but then along comes another Republican and away we go again. I'd have been happy with ANY other candidate, even Bloomberg. I'm a lefty and a socialist but I'm also aware of what can and can't be accomplished in Washington.



I got you. Each of us has our reason why we vote the way we do. those reasons are import to each individual. A return to sanity is important to me. But I want that return without having to lurch us 50,000 miles to the left. That would be another total disruption in my mind, no better, no worst than Trump. I think each of us has our comfort zone, Sanders and warren are out of mine. Although any other Democrat would do nicely.

I've been comfortable with every president in my lifetime. I was born right after WWII. Trump, I'm not. But I see no reason to replace a president I'm uncomfortable with with another I would be uncomfortable with. I'm not a partisan and never have been an ideologue. I've always been happy with a medium between the two parties. I love divided government, the only real check on a presidents power. As congress members of the same party of the president are more part of the administration than members of the institution of congress. Little steps to the left and right are fine. No gigantic leaps across the Grand Canyon one way or the other. If Sanders were the nominee, I'd vote third party this November just like I did in 2016. Against both him and Trump. I'll vote for Biden in November if he is the nominee.

Sane, reliable, steady leadership with no lurches.
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#322831 - 03/14/20 06:33 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I doubt we could possibly make any grand leap to the left, even if Sanders was elected. He can only do so much with executive orders. He wouldn't get to make laws or even allocate the real budget without stealing money from somewhere else, like Trump. In fact, I think the Democratic majorities in congress might even rebel if Sanders got too far out there.

What you are worried about could only happen if a whole new slate of Socialist and left-wing Democrats got into congress at the same time as Sanders was President. How many Socialists, Social Democrats, and Democratic Socialists are there in congress? Three? And one of those is Sanders.

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