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#313478 - 08/11/19 11:24 PM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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No, because there isn't chance in Hell of America turning Communist.
In the 1930's capitalism had largely FAILED a majority of working Americans and membership in both socialist and communist groups zoomed upward, and yet somehow we managed to still cling to the hope that capitalism and democracy would save the day, and we elected a capitalist Democrat to help try to do just that.

We didn't elect a socialist or a communist, we elected a Democratic capitalist.

Therefore, your comment about how "Communism will still be an acceptable ideology" is absolute hysteria.

FDR was a capitalist? No, he was not! If you were to read the books I suggested you would learn that he wasn't. A capitalist President doesn't issue a decree making it illegal for people to own something. FDR issued a decree that banned the private ownership of gold. Since gold was the primary form of money at the time confiscating people's money is not what a capitalist would do!

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IT NEVER WAS, because if it was, we'd have hoisted the Hammer and Sickle a long time ago and kids my age who were then in school would have learned how to sing The Internationale.

The United States will never turn communist or socialist.
The big chance of that ever happening came and went eighty or ninety years ago.

Your thinking borders on the edge of Joseph McCarthy, or so it seems.
You're emptying crypto-commies out of the wastebasket, checking under the bed and seeing red flames in the toilet.

Apparently you have not heard of the Red Scare of the Wilson administration. The Wilson administration put hundreds of people in jail. Sen. McCarthy started his political career as Wilsonian Progressive.
http://www.ushistory.org/us/47a.asp

If Communism/Socialism isn't an acceptable idea why is there a 17 page thread here on the CHBRR on Democratic Socialism? Why is every Democrat seeking their party's Presidential nomination promising to make a lot of things free? Why is an avowed Socialist, Bernie Sanders, a credible candidate for the Presidency?
Because Communism/Socialism is an accepted ideology!
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#313482 - 08/11/19 11:41 PM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: jgw]
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Gold was only confiscated from people who refused to obey the law that they had to SELL their gold to the government. Almost everybody did, and they were compensated. The cases of confiscation were much like criminal cases now that use asset forfeiture for stock market manipulation or drug dealing.

FDR was far from a socialist. In fact, almost every economist says he saved capitalism. The simple fact is that the most stable and responsive form of government is a mix of capitalism, government regulations, and socialist programs. Pure capitalism and pure socialism are usually horrible for most of the people living under them.

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#313483 - 08/11/19 11:45 PM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Communism/Socialism is an accepted ideology!

Indeed it is but is simply not what social democrats envision.


Edited by Greger (08/11/19 11:45 PM)
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#313484 - 08/11/19 11:54 PM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Pure capitalism and pure socialism are usually horrible for most of the people living under them.


Purity destroys many things.
Purity is fundamentalism, purity leads to purity oaths and an ever narrowing circle of sycophancy. Purity in art and music leads to stagnation. Purity in genetics leads to profound birth defects and severe mental retardation.
Nature seldom tolerates purity for a reason.
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#313485 - 08/12/19 12:10 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Gold was only confiscated from people who refused to obey the law that they had to SELL their gold to the government. Almost everybody did, and they were compensated. The cases of confiscation were much like criminal cases now that use asset forfeiture for stock market manipulation or drug dealing.

Presidential Proclamation 2039 says you are wrong. http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/_resources/images/eo/eo0040.pdf
https://www.fff.org/2017/07/06/fdr-destroyed-truth-gold/

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FDR was far from a socialist. In fact, almost every economist says he saved capitalism. The simple fact is that the most stable and responsive form of government is a mix of capitalism, government regulations, and socialist programs. Pure capitalism and pure socialism are usually horrible for most of the people living under them.

FDR wasn't a Socialist? Thom Hartmann and Bernie Sanders, both of whom are Socialists, disagree with you. Only the economists who are fans of FDR believe he saved capitalism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEWUuWndao8
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#313486 - 08/12/19 12:12 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Greger]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Communism/Socialism is an accepted ideology!

Indeed it is but is simply not what social democrats envision.

And while I completely and strongly disagree with socialism I will defend with my life someone's right to be a socialist!
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#313487 - 08/12/19 12:18 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Thom Hartmann and Bernie Sanders, both of whom are Socialists...

Democratic Socialists... smile
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#313488 - 08/12/19 12:20 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
pdx rick Offline
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: Greger
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Communism/Socialism is an accepted ideology!

Indeed it is but is simply not what social democrats envision.

And while I completely and strongly disagree with socialism I will defend with my life someone's right to be a socialist!

Best not call 911 when you need help then, and you can stop using the interstate highway system any time you want. smile

I'm sure you stopped relying on Social Security too. coffee

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#313489 - 08/12/19 12:30 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: pdx rick]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
Communism/Socialism is an accepted ideology!

Indeed it is but is simply not what social democrats envision.

And while I completely and strongly disagree with socialism I will defend with my life someone's right to be a socialist!

Best not call 911 when you need help then, and you can stop using the interstate highway system any time you want. smile

I'm sure you stopped relying on Social Security too. coffee

Thank you showing that have absolutely no idea of Socialism is.
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#313493 - 08/12/19 12:50 AM Re: Hitler vs Trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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And do you, Hatrack, understand what a social democracy is?
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