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#313717 - 08/14/19 07:34 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
OMG, my friend, use your brain! This is a propaganda piece in a propaganda publication! Was Goebbels a truth-teller? You don't have to get past the first paragraph to see it for what it is.

Yes, because the author of the article is a Nazi and it is in a Nazi publication it must be propaganda. Those damn Nazis never tell the truth they always lie.
rolleyes


Wait, what?? Is the Nazi Party a political party or not?
If it is, and I'm pretty sure of that, that means one can find politicians in that party, yes?

Are you implying that politicians never lie or create propaganda, or..."copious quantities of waxy brown liquid?"



By the way, I just noticed it's from Best Foods.

It's a shoe polish AND A DESSERT TOPPING!!
Of course, not the first time someone's invented a dual purpose product for extremists either.

NEW! Shimmer Floor Wax
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#313720 - 08/14/19 07:54 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
OMG, my friend, use your brain! This is a propaganda piece in a propaganda publication! Was Goebbels a truth-teller? You don't have to get past the first paragraph to see it for what it is.

Yes, because the author of the article is a Nazi and it is in a Nazi publication it must be propaganda. Those damn Nazis never tell the truth they always lie.
rolleyes


Wait, what?? Is the Nazi Party a political party or not?
If it is, and I'm pretty sure of that, that means one can find politicians in that party, yes?

Are you implying that politicians never lie or create propaganda, or..."copious quantities of waxy brown liquid?"



By the way, I just noticed it's from Best Foods.

It's a shoe polish AND A DESSERT TOPPING!!
Of course, not the first time someone's invented a dual purpose product for extremists either.

NEW! Shimmer Floor Wax

Where in my comment did I state that the Nazis have never used propaganda? I never did say that! My comments was and is that with any political party, in order to be successful, it must tell the truth about what it stands for. Your reply is another cop out because you have a damn difficult time admitting you are wrong. The posting of the pictures of shoe polish do not add anything to your comments. In truth they show the weakness of you argument, an argument based on your opinion, not on facts.

"It is time to kill a whacko piece of historical revisionism.
Naming names is important here because in the recent past, more than one person here has implied that Hitler's National Socialism was a left wing (liberal) idea.

And that's just nonsense.

Taking on all comers, if you think Hitler and the Nazis were leftists, prepare to be embarrassed as your theory gets dissected and exposed as sham."
This is a statement of your opinion Jeffery about Nazis. An opinion that has been shown to be wrong.


Edited by Senator Hatrack (08/14/19 07:56 PM)
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#313721 - 08/14/19 07:59 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
OMG, my friend, use your brain! This is a propaganda piece in a propaganda publication! Was Goebbels a truth-teller? You don't have to get past the first paragraph to see it for what it is.

Yes, because the author of the article is a Nazi and it is in a Nazi publication it must be propaganda. Those damn Nazis never tell the truth they always lie.
rolleyes
If I thought you actually understood that, I'd be relieved, but instead I am genuinely alarmed.

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#313725 - 08/14/19 08:11 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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No, friend, Jeff is not wrong. We've provided historical records that refute your assertion, yet you cling to something that is utterly, categorically, and decidedly wrong as if it were a security blanket. I am confident that were I to provide evidence from Hitler's own pen you would discount it. That is profoundly concerning to me. Conspiracy theories and pure propaganda distort and corrupt the thinking process, as it has done to you, here. In the interest of all that is decent I ask you to reconsider the dark path you are on. Come back to the light of reason and skepticism, and turn away from the dark side of deception and deviance, for that way madness lies. I'm deadly serious here. This is not conservative thought, it is something else entirely.

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#313730 - 08/14/19 08:56 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
No, friend, Jeff is not wrong. We've provided historical records that refute your assertion, yet you cling to something that is utterly, categorically, and decidedly wrong as if it were a security blanket. I am confident that were I to provide evidence from Hitler's own pen you would discount it. That is profoundly concerning to me. Conspiracy theories and pure propaganda distort and corrupt the thinking process, as it has done to you, here. In the interest of all that is decent I ask you to reconsider the dark path you are on. Come back to the light of reason and skepticism, and turn away from the dark side of deception and deviance, for that way madness lies. I'm deadly serious here. This is not conservative thought, it is something else entirely.

Could you have made a more condescending arrogant comment, NW Ponderer? I have quoted over sources besides the article by a Nazi. Who, because he is a Nazi and you are your historical sources are not, has more credibility than you and your sources do. The lie that the Nazis are not Socialists was started by Josef Stalin. It is a lie that Socialist repeat to make Nazis the epitome of evil, mainly because of the Holocaust, so that the mass murders committed by the Communist/Socialist regimes are ignored. By getting the mass murders committed by those regimes makes Communism/Socialism acceptable. Communism/Socialism is the epitome of evil, the Nazis are not. The Communists/Socialists murdered people because they were members of the wrong class. The Nazis murdered people because of their religion or nationality. Genocide, for whatever reason, is evil. The biggest perpetrators of genocide in human history are the Communists/Socialists. Because they are Communism/Socialism is the epitome of evil! But if people don't know that then Communism/Socialism is an acceptable ideology and Nazism is not. That is why Communists/Socialists must reinforce the lie that Nazis are not Socialists.
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#313734 - 08/14/19 09:58 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

Where in my comment did I state that the Nazis have never used propaganda? I never did say that!


Nowhere, you didn't say that they never used propaganda.
But moving on, here is where you have a problem (BELOW):

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

My comments was and is that with any political party, in order to be successful, it must tell the truth about what it stands for.


--This is absolute utter hogwash.
Republicans are against debt until it's their turn in power, then debts are inconsequential and "deficits don't matter."
But you say that in order for a party to be successful they must tell the truth about what it stands for?
Sometimes, maybe even most of the time, that is the worst thing a party can do.
And you know it!

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

Your reply is another cop out because you have a damn difficult time admitting you are wrong. The posting of the pictures of shoe polish do not add anything to your comments. In truth they show the weakness of you argument, an argument based on your opinion, not on facts.



FACT:
The very last vestiges of socialism were viciously purged from the NSDAP on The Night of the Long Knives.

FACT:
An entire security apparatus, the SA (Sturmabteilung) was outright ELIMINATED and REPLACED by the SS (Schutzstaffel).


FACT:
Gregor Strasser was assassinated and his brother Otto, the leading light of the leftist faction of the party, was exiled, first to Austria, then to Prague, Switzerland and France.

And when it was clear to him that Hitler's SS still intended to quench their thirst for his blood as well, (to the tune of a $500 thousand dollar bounty on his head) he went to Bermuda by way of Portugal, leaving a wife and two children behind in Switzerland.

In 1941, he emigrated to Canada, where he was the famed "Prisoner of Ottawa". He never stopped looking over his shoulder for agents of doom.

FACT:
Himmler, speaking to a mass meeting of the SchutzStaffel (S.S.): "We are of the right and of order. We shall sweep away Jews, Bolsheviks, and liberal democracies as one sweeps away flies."

But I'm wrong... LOL ROTFMOL
Yeah, sure.
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#313743 - 08/14/19 11:30 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
[quote=Senator Hatrack]
Where in my comment did I state that the Nazis have never used propaganda? I never did say that!


Nowhere, you didn't say that they never used propaganda.
But moving on, here is where you have a problem (BELOW):

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

My comments was and is that with any political party, in order to be successful, it must tell the truth about what it stands for.


Quote:
--This is absolute utter hogwash.
Republicans are against debt until it's their turn in power, then debts are inconsequential and "deficits don't matter."
But you say that in order for a party to be successful they must tell the truth about what it stands for?
Sometimes, maybe even most of the time, that is the worst thing a party can do.
And you know it!

What a political party stands for and what it does are, sadly. most of the time two different things. Why do the Republicans say they are against the deficit? Because the party stands fiscal responsibility. Why are the Republicans not fiscally responsible and working to reduce the deficit once they are in office? Because politicians, in both parties, are elected and reelected on promises to bring home the bacon, to spend money.

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

Your reply is another cop out because you have a damn difficult time admitting you are wrong. The posting of the pictures of shoe polish do not add anything to your comments. In truth they show the weakness of you argument, an argument based on your opinion, not on facts.



Quote:
FACT:
The very last vestiges of socialism were viciously purged from the NSDAP on The Night of the Long Knives.

Here is what the Night of the Long Knives was all about, POWER, not ideology!
https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/the-night-of-the-long-knives/
Quote:
FACT:
An entire security apparatus, the SA (Sturmabteilung) was outright ELIMINATED and REPLACED by the SS (Schutzstaffel).

The SA was controlled by Ernst Röhm. Himmler and company had convinced Hitler that Röhm was a threat to Hitler, who disliked anyone who disagreed with him or might challenge him.
Quote:
FACT:
Gregor Strasser was assassinated and his brother Otto, the leading light of the leftist faction of the party, was exiled, first to Austria, then to Prague, Switzerland and France.

And when it was clear to him that Hitler's SS still intended to quench their thirst for his blood as well, (to the tune of a $500 thousand dollar bounty on his head) he went to Bermuda by way of Portugal, leaving a wife and two children behind in Switzerland.

In 1941, he emigrated to Canada, where he was the famed "Prisoner of Ottawa". He never stopped looking over his shoulder for agents of doom.

Gregor Strasser, like Leon Trotsky, ran because he was deathly afraid of a dictator.
Quote:
FACT:
Himmler, speaking to a mass meeting of the SchutzStaffel (S.S.): "We are of the right and of order. We shall sweep away Jews, Bolsheviks, and liberal democracies as one sweeps away flies."

But I'm wrong... LOL ROTFMOL
Yeah, sure.

Here Himmler was using the word right in the political sense but in the sense that "we are of the right" because what we are doing is the right thing to do for Germany. So, yes you are wrong.
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#313745 - 08/14/19 11:38 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
No, friend, Jeff is not wrong. We've provided historical records that refute your assertion, yet you cling to something that is utterly, categorically, and decidedly wrong as if it were a security blanket. I am confident that were I to provide evidence from Hitler's own pen you would discount it.

Trump supporters are the same way. Trump said that neo-NAZIs, Alt-Righters, Fascists, Klansmen at the Chancellorsville 2017 rally were "good people."

His base says that us non-Trumpers "misunderstood" Trump. crazy
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#313748 - 08/14/19 11:46 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Online   happy

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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

What a political party stands for and what it does are, sadly. most of the time two different things. Why do the Republicans say they are against the deficit? Because the party stands fiscal responsibility. Why are the Republicans not fiscally responsible and working to reduce the deficit once they are in office? Because politicians, in both parties, are elected and reelected on promises to bring home the bacon, to spend money.


You're going to have to brush up on your editing skills because you are attributing quotes in a cattywampus way.
I'm going to go after that last post piecemeal so that I don't do the same thing by mistake...

You were essentially saying that Nazis always tell the truth about what Nazism is all about, and you were defending a Nazi publication that is pretending that they're really leftists.

Your last quote (above) is in direct contradiction to what you said earlier about parties having to tell the truth about what they stand for.
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#313749 - 08/14/19 11:51 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas


FACT:
The very last vestiges of socialism were viciously purged from the NSDAP on The Night of the Long Knives.


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

Here is what the Night of the Long Knives was all about, POWER, not ideology!
https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/the-night-of-the-long-knives/


Sanitizing to remove any reference to the leftist attributes of Ernst Roehm, and the Strassers, does not change anything.
They were the LEFT faction of the party and Hitler eliminated the Left faction entirely.
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