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#313750 - 08/15/19 12:06 AM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
FACT:
Himmler, speaking to a mass meeting of the SchutzStaffel (S.S.): "We are of the right and of order. We shall sweep away Jews, Bolsheviks, and liberal democracies as one sweeps away flies."

But I'm wrong... LOL ROTFMOL
Yeah, sure.


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

Here Himmler was using the word right in the political sense but in the sense that "we are of the right" because what we are doing is the right thing to do for Germany. So, yes you are wrong.


Resorting to using your personal opinion to argue against facts?
So in essence you're saying Alan Bullock, William L. Shirer and almost every other historian are all wrong.

You appear to lean heavily on cherry picking, misdirection and disinformation. I am not going to waste a lot of time going into a detailed analysis here, since so many other worthy commentators have already done so.

Mussolini and even Gentile tried to copy one or two left leaning elements but failed to retain leftist support once it became clear that egalitarian principles of fascism were in name only. Hitler also drew upon many other influences, including Christianity; does this make fascism a Christian movement?
It's apparent that some Christians are fooled by fascism in much the same way socialists were fooled by the name Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

Fascism is of the Right.
All through the 20th century its supporters were from social groups that supported right-wing parties.
Its allies, both domestically and internationally, were from the Right.
Fascists rose to power fighting leftists and abetted by conservative allies.
Mussolini called his fascist journal "Hierarchy". (Hello PDX Rick!)
The Italian manifesto "The Doctrine of Fascism" proclaimed, “we are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the ‘right,’ a fascist century.”

ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITTANICA:

Quote:
"Many fascist ideas derived from the reactionary backlash to the progressive revolutions of 1789, 1830, 1848, and 1871 and to the secular liberalism and social radicalism that accompanied these upheavals."


By the way:
Politics has nothing to do with what is, it is what you've been convinced it is. Politics is the art of the possible.


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#313787 - 08/15/19 04:40 AM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Senator Hatrack]
NW Ponderer Offline
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Could you have made a more condescending arrogant comment, NW Ponderer?
I suppose I could have quoted you.... wink
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#313864 - 08/15/19 11:01 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
BC Offline
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I had just read some of this thread, then read something my wife posted on FB.

Thought I’d share here...

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When Nelson Mandela was studying law at the University, a white professor, whose last name was Peters, disliked him intensely.

One day, Mr. Peters was having lunch at the dining room when Mandela came along with his tray & sat next to the professor.

The professor said,
"Mr Mandela, you do not understand, a pig & a bird do not sit together to eat"

Mandela looked at him as a parent would a rude child & calmly replied,
*"You do not worry professor. I'll fly away,"*
& he went & sat at another table.

Mr. Peters, reddened with rage, decided to take revenge.

The next day in class he posed the following question:
"Mr. Mandela, if you were walking down the street & found a package, & within was a bag of wisdom & another bag with money, which one would you take ?"

Without hesitating, Mandela responded, "The one with the money, of course."

Mr. Peters , smiling sarcastically said,
"I, in your place, would have taken the wisdom."

Nelson Mandela shrugged & responded, *"Each one takes what he doesn't have."*

Mr. Peters, by this time was about to throw a fit, seething with fury. So great was his anger that he wrote on Nelson Mandela's exam sheet the word *"IDIOT"*
& gave it to the future struggle icon.

Mandela took the exam sheet & sat down at his desk trying very hard to remain calm while he contemplated his next move.

A few minutes later, Nelson Mandela got up, walked up to the professor & told him in a dignified polite tone,

"Mr. Peters, *you signed your name on the sheet*, but you forgot to give me my grade."

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Don't mess with intelligent people....


Edited by BC (08/15/19 11:04 PM)
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#313867 - 08/15/19 11:19 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Wonderful!
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#313872 - 08/15/19 11:43 PM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: BC]
logtroll Offline
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Jeez, Bob... where the heck have you been all this time?
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#313873 - 08/16/19 12:05 AM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: logtroll]
BC Offline
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Jeez, Bob... where the heck have you been all this time?

Just following life’s plan...wonder,wander,blunder,ponder...repeat.
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#313874 - 08/16/19 12:53 AM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
NW Ponderer Offline
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Registered: 09/09/11
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I keep laughing at the Mandela story. Well done, sir.

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#313880 - 08/16/19 03:16 AM Re: Hitler was not a lefty [Re: BC]
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Originally Posted By: BC
Mr. Peters, reddened with rage, decided to take revenge.

Sounds like a true Conservative. coffee

Remember good Patriots - it"s the Conservative stock-piling AR-15s. Be careful out there. crazy

Also, if you know an angry white male Conservative, notify the FBI immediately. smile
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