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#313506 - 08/12/19 04:53 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...-sides-remarks/
Here is the interview in question. Pres. Trump was not referring to the Neo-Nazis or Antifa when he said there are very fine people on both sides. You didn't do much research to find the truth about the Charlottesville comments, all you did was go to a site that doesn't like Trump. Doing that is not a way to get the truth. Going to sources that reinforce your bias hurts your credibility, Jeffery. I took the time to find an unbiased source.


I am getting the impression you did not watch the clip if you say that, because each and every media outlet's coverage was dissected.
It wasn't a "site", it's a YouTube video...that's another indicator you didn't even listen to it at all.
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#313531 - 08/12/19 10:52 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Why should I watch the video? I read a transcript of the interview and it shows that Pres. Trump did not say that "there are nice people on both sides" in reference to the Neo-Nazis and Antifa. Of course since I said that all the lefties who hate Trump and who twist everything he says into something negative will attack me. While there were some Republicans who hated Pres. Obama they were a minority in the GOP. There are very few, if any, lefties who will say something nice about Trump. I sure would love to see that I am wrong about the hatred for Trump but I ain't going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen.
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#313535 - 08/12/19 11:25 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Why should I watch the video? I read a transcript of the interview and it shows that Pres. Trump did not say that "there are nice people on both sides" in reference to the Neo-Nazis and Antifa. Of course since I said that all the lefties who hate Trump and who twist everything he says into something negative will attack me. While there were some Republicans who hated Pres. Obama they were a minority in the GOP. There are very few, if any, lefties who will say something nice about Trump. I sure would love to see that I am wrong about the hatred for Trump but I ain't going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen.


You should watch the video because it proves that PragerU is practicing yellow journalism.
But you go ahead and feed that allergy.
I'll actually go ahead and read those critical books about FDR like you suggested (when they get here) but how nice of you not to accommodate my suggestion by devoting a couple of minutes to watch a video. (Actually it's mostly listening)
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#313543 - 08/13/19 02:13 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I didn't need to watch the video to know that PragerU lies. You could get the books about FDR from your public library. FDR's Folly, New Deal Raw Deal, Three New Deals in case you've forgotten the titles of them.
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#313544 - 08/13/19 02:21 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
I didn't need to watch the video to know that PragerU lies.


Let it go. I can tell you're terrified about what you might learn if you watch it and I don't want to frighten you wink

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

You could get the books about FDR from your public library. FDR's Folly, New Deal Raw Deal, Three New Deals in case you've forgotten the titles of them.


No no, I will buy them, thanks.
That said, I am not fond of reading either hagiographies nor brickbats. Instead I read factual accounts and make my own decisions.
I read history texts.

The point is, you won't watch the video.
I get that now.
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#313545 - 08/13/19 02:31 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I forgot to say "But I did." Like I said my typing isn't that great and my memory is almost as bad.
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#313552 - 08/13/19 04:44 AM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Fatass Trump:

Quote:
Good people on both sides.

Nope, there were not. Neo-NAZIs, white supremacists, Alt-Right are not good people.

Hmm
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#313564 - 08/13/19 02:24 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: pdx rick]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Fatass Trump:

Quote:
Good people on both sides.

Nope, there were not. Neo-NAZIs, white supremacists, Alt-Right are not good people.

Hmm

Ever drive a Volkswagen (the People's Wagon)? It was created by the Nazis. Do you support Planned Parenthood? It's founder, Margaret Sanger, was a white supremacist. What people call the Alt-Right are really leftists who are erroneously considered to be right wingers.
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#313569 - 08/13/19 03:07 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Fatass Trump:

Quote:
Good people on both sides.

Nope, there were not. Neo-NAZIs, white supremacists, Alt-Right are not good people.

Hmm

Ever drive a Volkswagen (the People's Wagon)? It was created by the Nazis. Do you support Planned Parenthood? It's founder, Margaret Sanger, was a white supremacist. What people call the Alt-Right are really leftists who are erroneously considered to be right wingers.


Who was not a White Supremacist/Raciest in the late 1800 and early 1900 hundreds?

Yes, she advocated birth control which is not abortion. She advocated contraception as a way to avoid the need for abortion. She also founded a birth control clinic in Harlem in 1921. Does not mean she was not raciest it just means she at least tried to treat all fairly. Oh, I do support a women's right to choose and not the churches' and governments' assertion they have a right to tell a woman what she can and can not do with her body
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#313570 - 08/13/19 03:21 PM Re: This is American Conservatism [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
To conserve something is to want to preserve and protect it. American Conservatives want to return our government to doing only what is listed in Article I Section 8 of our Constitution. Anything that is not expressly authorized by it is to be either eliminated or done by the various state or local governments.
I have to quibble with this statement, as it is often made and consistently wrong. The powers of the government are explicitly NOT all contained in Article I, Section 8, and that provision itself is often misinterpreted by "so-called" conservatives. To wit: Section 1. provides that "All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." Section 4 (in pertinent parts), "the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations," and "unless they shall by law appoint a different day." Section 10 (in pertinent part) "all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress." There are many other examples. Section 8 deals entirely with the collection and expenditure of taxes, and contains the proviso "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof." If Section 8 were exclusive, this phrase would be meaningless. It is not.

Moreover, Article I, Section 8, cl. 1, explicitly states that "Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States[.]" These are coextensive authorities, yet I have noticed that conservatives like to ignore one, but have no qualms about extending the other. It is, frankly, a ridiculous argument and it irritates me exceedingly.

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