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#313302 - 08/09/19 03:51 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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To have more rational, not emotional voices, in the House elect more Republicans.


To have more rational voices in the House, Republicans should nominate more Representatives like Will Hurd.

But I don't think it's going to help much in 2020. All but the Reddest of the Red districts are going to elect Democrats. Appealing to voters as racists, misogynists, and Putin supporters drives too many of the independents away. Gerrymandering districts so you only win by 5% is a disaster when you're down by 10%.

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#313303 - 08/09/19 03:52 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: rporter314]
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The reasons the Southern Democrats switched to the Republican Party had nothing to do with race. It was due to the Democrat's opposition to the war in Vietnam. The southern Democrats were strong supporters of our military. When the Democrats started to cut defense spending, which helped get the southern Democrats reelected, a lot of our country's military bases are located in the southern states, the southern Democrats joined the Republican Party to protect the military bases in their districts. In many of those districts a military base was their biggest source of revenue. Cutting defense spending hurt the economy of the southern states.
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#313310 - 08/09/19 04:18 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
No, the GOP is not trying to imitate the Democrats. The history of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy in America is also the history of the Democrats.

Conservative Democrats, correct. Now-a-days, Conservatives are Republicans.

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#313311 - 08/09/19 04:29 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The reasons the Southern Democrats switched to the Republican Party had nothing to do with race. It was due to the Democrat's opposition to the war in Vietnam. The southern Democrats were strong supporters of our military. When the Democrats started to cut defense spending, which helped get the southern Democrats reelected, a lot of our country's military bases are located in the southern states, the southern Democrats joined the Republican Party to protect the military bases in their districts. In many of those districts a military base was their biggest source of revenue. Cutting defense spending hurt the economy of the southern states.


Racism and bigotry are not a Democrat or Republican ideology, but racism and bigotry are 100% Conservative ideologies.

Conservative Democrats fought a war to keep slavery legal, Liberal Republicans fought a war to keep black Americans free and independent humans.

Conservative Democrats even started the KKK in the mid-to-late 1800s and in the 1930s wrote Jim Crow laws.

In 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was signed, Conservative Dixiecrat Demoocrats switched to the Republican party to spite Lyndon Johnson. Richard Nixon also recruited Conservative Democrats under his "Southern Strategy" effort.

Conservatism is the only common thread to pre-1964 racist and bigoted Democrats and post-1964 racist and bigoted Republicans, neo-NAZIs and the Alt-Right.

In 2019, the GOP is the largest white-identity American political group in existence. That's not merely a happy coincidence. Hmm


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#313312 - 08/09/19 04:30 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: NW Ponderer]
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...and, we're off. laugh
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#313313 - 08/09/19 04:31 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The reasons the Southern Democrats switched to the Republican Party had nothing to do with race. It was due to the Democrat's opposition to the war in Vietnam. The southern Democrats were strong supporters of our military.

When the Democrats started to cut defense spending, which helped get the southern Democrats reelected, a lot of our country's military bases are located in the southern states, the southern Democrats joined the Republican Party to protect the military bases in their districts. In many of those districts a military base was their biggest source of revenue. Cutting defense spending hurt the economy of the southern states.


The Nixon Southern Strategy was spearheaded by Lee Atwater, among others. I am searching for any speeches Atwater might have made.
Maybe there's something about the war in here.
Nope...seems more like he's interested in talking about how to properly couch terms like "nigger".

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#313317 - 08/09/19 04:46 AM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Of course Conservatives like Tucker Carlson thinks white supremacy is a hoax: nobody has ever tried to lynch them for being black. coffee
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#313324 - 08/09/19 03:52 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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How long was the entire interview? You don't think it might be possible that The Nation, a very liberal publication, selected a small portion of the interview to further its claim that the GOP's southern strategy was racist?
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#313325 - 08/09/19 04:08 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Maybe the southern strategy wasn't racist at all! Maybe the GOP just wanted more toothless uneducated southern rednecks in their number. That they hated black people was mere coincidence.

That it has led to a party made up almost entirely of white people who hate black people is also mere coincidence.

Denial of racism is on about the same order as denial of global climate change. The proof is there, you need only open your eyes.
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#313332 - 08/09/19 06:29 PM Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The funny thing is that before the Southern Strategy, the GOP HATED those "toothless uneducated southern rednecks"! They were very Northern and elitist. Then Nixon's guys figured out they could claim Southern Whites simply by repudiating Lincoln's legacy. All they had to do was take the other side against the Civil Rights Act. It worked, because in the Southern White versus Black contest, there were more votes on the White side.

So now Republicans are the Party of White Supremacy, Russia fellow travelers, authoritarianism, corruption, and sabotage of government.

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