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#326062 - 05/25/20 03:41 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
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Just got back... guess I touched a nerve.

I’m not that sensitive, so I don’t have any comment about any personal attack. But calling Sanders a loser over and over because he didn’t sponsor any major legislation didn’t look rational to me. It’s just my opinion, and I linked an article to support my view.

It wasn’t a personal attack, it was an observation. After reading my link, do you still hold the opinion that Sanders is an empty footnote in history?

Now that's interesting. Footnote in history. Possible. Is Goldwater a footnote in history? He was the one who started the conservative movement by being blown out in the 1964 presidential election. His movement didn't take hold until 1980 with the election of Reagan. But his movement, I'll call it traditional conservatism has morphed into something completely different, a different type/s of conservatism Goldwater wouldn't recognize. Once known as the father of Conservatism, most modern day conservatives call him a libertarian because his brand wasn't neo or religious conservatism. Barry wanted to get those religious nuts out of the Republican Party.

Sanders, footnote, perhaps? That depends on how his ideas catch on with the American public, all of the public and not just a faction within the Democratic Party. He could be looked back on as the father of a new progressive movement. Or relegated to just a footnote when talking about Democratic Primaries. The one who lost to Hillary and then lost to Biden. Some primary losers are remembered and become more than just a footnote. Reagan challenged Ford in 1976, he lost to Ford and Ford lost to Carter. Many historians put the blame for Ford's loss on Reagan's challenge. But Ronnie won the presidency in 1980, so that's what he is remembered for.

Teddy Kennedy is also well documented in 1980 for challenging Carter. Again, historians always list Teddy's challenge of Jimmy as one of the reason Jimmy lost in 1980. But Ted Kennedy's fame is being JFK's and RFK's brother. Much more than his challenge to Carter.

Sanders, a footnote to history is possible, maybe even probable. It all depends whether a young fresh faced progressive picks up his ideas and runs with them and wins. Time will tell.


The father of a new progressive movement? I pity the "new progressive movement" if its father is the ineffective loser known as Bernie Sanders. I guess he is better than AOC (not so hard to be better than that one). If she's the heir, God help us.
Hey now, I happen to love AOC. She raw, but she's sharp, and really represents her generation, in my humble opinion. I'm judging that on my sons' views, which are seriously left of mine, and I'm a radical, yanno.


Sharp? I certainly disagree. The interviews I watched with her, she struck me as rather unintelligent. As in, the interviewer throws her a curve ball, she responds in a way that weakens even more her position instead of fortifying it. She doesn't seem to be fast-thinking. Rather stereotypical; not to forget, quite arrogant. Maybe once she becomes more experienced, she will improve, but I don't hold my breath.
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#326064 - 05/25/20 03:52 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: GreatNewsTonight]
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AOC is sharp as a tack. Very intelligent.
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#326065 - 05/25/20 04:05 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Regarding the latest exchanges in this thead:

Whatever.

Good bye, everybody.
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#326066 - 05/25/20 04:08 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: GreatNewsTonight]
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#326073 - 05/25/20 08:35 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Okay...Looking ahead, here's an interesting article about who benefits with vote by mail. Very interesting.

"Which Party Would Benefit Most From Voting by Mail? It's Complicated."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/party-benefit-most-voting-mail-121301144.html

It seems conventional wisdom about voting by mail may or may not apply.
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#326075 - 05/25/20 08:49 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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I'm thinking it's a ploy! Trump voted by mail yet wants to stop others from being able to conveniently vote. It is my belief that he plans to use mail in voting to declare the election null and void while at the same time declaring himself the victor.

I know, sounds crazy, right? Just one of many dirty tricks this administration concentrates on rather than actually governing.
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#326085 - 05/26/20 12:17 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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You got me thinking which can be dangerous. Can Trump cancel the election, no he can't. But there are so many variables. One thing is for sure, Trump's presidency will end at noon on 20 Jan 2021 unless reelected. Now if you're into some heaving reading, the below article explains many situations that delaying or canceling the election could cause and who might or could become president.

"Can Trump cancel the November election?"

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/21/21188152/trump-cancel-november-election-constitution-coronavirus


Edited by perotista (05/26/20 12:17 AM)
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#326088 - 05/26/20 12:41 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
AOC is sharp as a tack. Very intelligent.

I agree. AOC is very intelligent. Some men can't handle that. I cite AOC's 60 Minutes interview. smile
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#326089 - 05/26/20 12:45 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I'm thinking it's a ploy! Trump voted by mail yet wants to stop others from being able to conveniently vote. It is my belief that he plans to use mail in voting to declare the election null and void while at the same time declaring himself the victor.

I know, sounds crazy, right? Just one of many dirty tricks this administration concentrates on rather than actually governing.

Trump voted by mail illegally. He's not a resident of Florida, nor can he ever live at Mara-Largo per this 1993 Agreement between the town of Palm Beach, FL and Donald Trump.

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#326090 - 05/26/20 01:40 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pdx rick]
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WOW! Far as I know Trump has moved his residency to Florida from New York. He's a snowbird so it's no biggie most of 'em do it eventually.

Quote:
Trump has used the absentee voting system in at least three elections: Trump voted by mail during New York’s mayoral election in 2017, cast an absentee ballot during the state’s midterm election the following year, and again used a vote-by-mail ballot in Florida’s primary election in 2020. (Snopes)


But I'm not sure I buy the bit about voting in Florida's primary...
Did we have a Republican primary? He can't vote in the Democratic one and the one for candidates other than president isn't until August.
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