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#323508 - 03/29/20 12:49 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I suspect that Biden will have a very real shot at universal healthcare.

Trump is going to run on universal healthcare after this virus thing... mark my words.


What, the kind where he cuts it off if you're not nice to him?
I think most people are getting sick and tired of that in short order.


No, the kind that he promises but never delivers.
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#323568 - 03/29/20 08:05 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Easter will be the key: If hundreds of millions of people pack the pews on Easter, then millions will die about two weeks later. That would be near the peak, where about 40% would be infected. That means everybody who gathers has an excellent chance of getting infected. 3 days later, 80% are infected.

Trump might just get some blame for that.

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#323582 - 03/29/20 10:34 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ENTHUSIASTIC THAN BIDEN BACKERS, NEW POLL SHOWS

Of course they are. Their candidate is able to tell time and more than a match for a sundowning legacy candidate.

The Democrats only interest has been to stop Sanders. I’m still expecting them to swap out Biden for someone coherent as Corona virus has given them an opportunity. ‘Wasn’t that primary fun? Now shut up and vote blue no matter who’.

If it does happen It’s doubtful enthusiasm would pick up on the left.


Edited by chunkstyle (03/29/20 10:35 PM)

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#323583 - 03/29/20 10:37 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Now that massive job losses are occurring, wasn’t it nice to see the Democrats throw their weight behind a candidate that wants to maintain an employer provided health care system instead of a candidate that wants it as a human right?

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#323612 - 03/30/20 02:13 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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That was the case in 2016, Hillary's supporters were more ho hum, Trump's supporters were willing to go to the four corners of the earth for him. I think that huge enthusiasm gap had a lot to do with the way Hillary ran her campaign. She was plain lazy. From 1 Sep 2016 through 8 Nov 2016 Trump made 116 campaign appearances, stops, visits, rallies to Hillary's 71. Her 71 looks larger than what it was as it included fund raisers in deep blue California and New York.

In short, Hillary basically ceded the campaign trail to Trump. In the deciding states, Wisconsin it was Trump 5 visits, stops to Hillary's none. Michigan, six for Trump, one for Hillary. Pennsylvania was closer, 8 for Trump, 5 for Hillary. even in electoral rich Florida, Hillary ceded that state to Trump also, Trump 13 stops, visits, rallies to Hillary's 8.

It seemed to me once the general election campaign began, Hillary lost that fire in the belly needed to win. Her laziness along with a very inept campaign strategy gave the election to Trump. My opinion anyway.
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#323613 - 03/30/20 02:43 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
No, the kind that he promises but never delivers.

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They don't call him King Kon fer nothin'.
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#323648 - 03/31/20 01:18 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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14 States Have Postponed Their Primaries Because of Coronavirus. This includes Alaska, Hawaii and Wyoming which were scheduled for 4 Apr.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/2020-campaign-primary-calendar-coronavirus.html

Wisconsin is still scheduled for 7 Apr. "Wisconsin is holding firm to the April 7 date for its primary, but the governor wants to send every voter an absentee ballot."
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#323654 - 03/31/20 05:08 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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Hillary did, exactly, what the Democratic geniuses told her to do because they are so smart. Her own husband told her she was making a terrible mistake but she, obviously, knew better.

Now the same geniuses are, as far as I can tell, figuring out, and working very hard, to lose the next election too. Its just freaking amazing!

they used to just not fight back now their clever system involves, as far as I can tell, complete silence.

FREAKING AMAZING!!!

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#323656 - 03/31/20 05:38 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Hillary's problem was her only goal was to achieve more electoral votes than Obama if one wants to call that a campaign strategy. She wasted time, energy and money trying to win Georgia, Arizona and Utah to achieve that goal ignoring her own backyard, the so called blue wall states.

And yes, she ignored Bill's advice totally. Top that with being lazy and ceding the campaign trail to Trump, she lost. Hillary made 71 campaign appearances, visits, rallies to Trump's 116 from 1 Sep through 8 Nov 2016. In Wisconsin, it was Trump 5 visits, stops to Hillary's none. Michigan, Trump six, Hillary one. Pennsylvania was closer, 8 for Trump, 5 for Hillary. She even ceded electoral vote rich Florida to Trump, 13 visits, stops, rallies for Trump, 8 for Hillary.

I'm sure Biden won't make those same mistakes. Especially ceding the campaign trail. If he does, then like Hillary, he deserves to lose.
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#323710 - 04/01/20 01:47 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
And yes, she ignored Bill's advice totally. Top that with being lazy and ceding the campaign trail to Trump, she lost. Hillary made 71 campaign appearances, visits, rallies to Trump's 116 from 1 Sep through 8 Nov 2016. In Wisconsin, it was Trump 5 visits, stops to Hillary's none. Michigan, Trump six, Hillary one. Pennsylvania was closer, 8 for Trump, 5 for Hillary. She even ceded electoral vote rich Florida to Trump, 13 visits, stops, rallies for Trump, 8 for Hillary.

I'm sure Biden won't make those same mistakes. Especially ceding the campaign trail. If he does, then like Hillary, he deserves to lose.


I think you are correct that Biden is a more natural fit for many of the swing-Trump voters (though I wonder the extent to which they will be naturally motivated to confirm their 2016 choice), and is a greater danger to those 78,000 votes that flipped three states...

...but I'm not sure how much Biden's advisors are going to want him on the campaign trail. Just as he won the primary by being the only plausible Consensus Not-Bernie, I would suggest his strongest position in the General is being the Consensus-Not-Trump. He's best running as Generic Democrat on the ballot, not a flesh-and-blood grandpa that people can see calling them a lying dog faced pony soldier on a daily or weekly basis.


Edited by CPWILL (04/01/20 01:47 PM)
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