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#314241 - 08/26/19 02:52 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Obama doesn't need to flee from the coast any more than my niece does. It's not a Tsunami or anything. We have years to plan for this but by all accounts it appears to be inevitable.
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#314243 - 08/26/19 03:16 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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And just because a few folks have feet of clay does not say anything at all about the science. Senator, you are making political arguments in the face of scientific facts. This IS happening as we speak. The arctic ice is almost gone. The permafrost is melting in the far North and whole towns are being destroyed because they were built on ice. That melted permafrost is starting to out-gas methane. Ships are using the Arctic ocean as a shortcut when they never could even 10 years ago. The West Antarctic Ice Shelf is very rapidly slipping into the ocean.

Please note that these are all facts: Not "somebody did something" excuses.

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#314244 - 08/26/19 03:43 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
And just because a few folks have feet of clay does not say anything at all about the science. Senator, you are making political arguments in the face of scientific facts. This IS happening as we speak. The arctic ice is almost gone. The permafrost is melting in the far North and whole towns are being destroyed because they were built on ice. That melted permafrost is starting to out-gas methane. Ships are using the Arctic ocean as a shortcut when they never could even 10 years ago. The West Antarctic Ice Shelf is very rapidly slipping into the ocean.

Please note that these are all facts: Not "somebody did something" excuses.

Are they? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/...E-FREE-now.html
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#314246 - 08/26/19 11:53 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
And just because a few folks have feet of clay does not say anything at all about the science. Senator, you are making political arguments in the face of scientific facts. This IS happening as we speak. The arctic ice is almost gone. The permafrost is melting in the far North and whole towns are being destroyed because they were built on ice. That melted permafrost is starting to out-gas methane. Ships are using the Arctic ocean as a shortcut when they never could even 10 years ago. The West Antarctic Ice Shelf is very rapidly slipping into the ocean.

Please note that these are all facts: Not "somebody did something" excuses.

Are they? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/...E-FREE-now.html

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#314247 - 08/26/19 04:12 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Since everyone has a bias everyone and every news source is questionable.
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#314251 - 08/26/19 05:52 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Since everyone has a bias everyone and every news source is questionable.

Certainly, but the range of questionableness varies widely, and is somewhat measurable.
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#314259 - 08/26/19 07:07 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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The author of the Daily Mail article has every right to his opinion. Not everyone is convinced of the science yet, why there was a day once when they said a man would never go to the moon! Some still say he never has.

My belief is that, if nothing else, sea level rise will eventually convince even the tabloid press that global warming is real and man made.

In another 20 years there won't be any deniers.
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#314269 - 08/26/19 09:06 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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geeez .... come on folks .... conservative denial is only tenuously and disingenuously based on scientific criticism but 100% based on idiot-ological beliefs. It would not matter if God or whatever master a conservative believed in told them personally the science is good and there are consequences of climate change ... conservatives would reject it as it is contrary to fundamental conservative beliefs and tenets.

Now if anyone can recall Russian Stalinist history, especially during the 1930's and 40's, one would notice the similarities i.e. science had to conform to communist ideology, otherwise it was rejected. Modern American conservatives are in the same time warp.

My guess is none of the political conservativce critics understand the science but they intimately understand the financial impact to businesses, especially fossil fuel based industries. When they are questioned, eventually they will admit it is about the financial impact on those businesses. Just listen to Mr trump at G7. Windmills ... bah ... oil ... yah.

Even if these people live in compromised coastal areas, and should they live long enough, and should the predictions prove accurate in that time frame, and they find themselves waist deep in water, begging for government action, they would still reject the human impact on climate change and simply say, the weather did it.

I see no point in discussing it with conservative deniers, especially if they have not read any of the scientific literature (on both sides) and rely solely on idiot-ological talking points.

I am hoping God will take a peek and sigh ... failed experiment ... let's start again
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#314274 - 08/26/19 09:17 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Since everyone has a bias everyone and every news source is questionable.

Even NOAA? Hmm
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#314275 - 08/26/19 09:20 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
People have credibility when their actions match their words. Pres. Obama is a big proponent of global warming and rising sea levels. If his actions were to match his words he would not have bought a mansion on an island in the Atlantic Ocean. His actions do not match his words.

That seems to be the newest rightwing talking point. Do you guys all get together on weekends and determine want to post in public forums over the week? Hmm
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