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#313995 - 08/19/19 06:29 PM The Social Credit System
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You may know about this... if so, consider yourself in the top 1% of all Americans. IMHO, as important to our lives and freedom as environmental dangers.

Since there is so much to this, I won't try to do an overview. Suffice it to say, I believe there is enough "tracking" in the US today, to allow implementation in our lives in a matter of years, not decades.

Some links and quotes:

Quote:

The Communist Chinese government is bragging about its social credit system preventing 2.5 million “discredited entities” from purchasing plane tickets and 90,000 people from buying high speed train tickets in the month of July alone.

“China restricted 2.56 million discredited entities from purchasing plane tickets, and 90,000 entities from buying high-speed rail tickets in July,” tweeted the Global Times, a Chinese government mouthpiece.


Quote:
Over 3.59 million Chinese enterprises were added to the official creditworthiness blacklist last year, banning them from a series of activities, including bidding on projects, accessing security markets, taking part in land auctions and issuing corporate bonds, according to the 2018 annual report released by the National Public Credit Information Centre.


Wiki Social Credit System

Millions stopped from flying

Millions of businesses under the controls




Edited by itstarted (08/19/19 06:36 PM)
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#313997 - 08/19/19 06:34 PM Re: The Social Credit System [Re: itstarted]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Registered: 08/03/04
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Originally Posted By: itstarted
You may know about this... if so, consider yourself in the top 1% of all Americans. IMHO, as important to our lives and freedom as environmental dangers.

Since there is so much to this, I won't try to do an overview. Suffice it to say, I believe there is enough "tracking" in the US today, to allow implementation in our lives in a matter of years, not decades.

Some links and quotes:

Quote:

The Communist Chinese government is bragging about its social credit system preventing 2.5 million “discredited entities” from purchasing plane tickets and 90,000 people from buying high speed train tickets in the month of July alone.

“China restricted 2.56 million discredited entities from purchasing plane tickets, and 90,000 entities from buying high-speed rail tickets in July,” tweeted the Global Times, a Chinese government mouthpiece.


Quote:
Over 3.59 million Chinese enterprises were added to the official creditworthiness blacklist last year, banning them from a series of activities, including bidding on projects, accessing security markets, taking part in land auctions and issuing corporate bonds, according to the 2018 annual report released by the National Public Credit Information Centre.


Wiki Social Credit System

Millions stopped from flying

Millions of business interferences





Unfortunately I suspect that there will be an enormous effort to bring this to the West, particularly the United States.
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#314000 - 08/19/19 07:25 PM Re: The Social Credit System [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
itstarted Offline
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I have a feeling that posting this on a separate thread would get me kicked off the forum... In some ways, it's connected with the Social Credit System... if only the means by which china will protect against their own technology.

Learn the word "QUANTUM" because you'll be hearing it for the coming decade.

Quantum Tech in China

The Chinese are bringing back home, the Techs that we have educated at our finest schools...

Am trying to merge the two subjects, Quantum Tech and the Social Credit System... looks like we're getting behinder. frown
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#314002 - 08/19/19 07:59 PM Re: The Social Credit System [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: itstarted
You may know about this... if so, consider yourself in the top 1% of all Americans. IMHO, as important to our lives and freedom as environmental dangers.

Since there is so much to this, I won't try to do an overview. Suffice it to say, I believe there is enough "tracking" in the US today, to allow implementation in our lives in a matter of years, not decades.

Some links and quotes:

Quote:

The Communist Chinese government is bragging about its social credit system preventing 2.5 million “discredited entities” from purchasing plane tickets and 90,000 people from buying high speed train tickets in the month of July alone.

“China restricted 2.56 million discredited entities from purchasing plane tickets, and 90,000 entities from buying high-speed rail tickets in July,” tweeted the Global Times, a Chinese government mouthpiece.


Quote:
Over 3.59 million Chinese enterprises were added to the official creditworthiness blacklist last year, banning them from a series of activities, including bidding on projects, accessing security markets, taking part in land auctions and issuing corporate bonds, according to the 2018 annual report released by the National Public Credit Information Centre.


Wiki Social Credit System

Millions stopped from flying

Millions of business interferences





Unfortunately I suspect that there will be an enormous effort to bring this to the West, particularly the United States.
I think we're already there, although it is largely commercial (so far). Credit scores, which are often arbitrary and inscrutable, are used in loans, credit card, housing and employment already. The only missing step is government applications - but DID is working on it.
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#314003 - 08/19/19 08:16 PM Re: The Social Credit System [Re: itstarted]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: itstarted
I have a feeling that posting this on a separate thread would get me kicked off the forum...


Why would you think that?

Originally Posted By: itstarted

In some ways, it's connected with the Social Credit System... if only the means by which china will protect against their own technology.

Learn the word "QUANTUM" because you'll be hearing it for the coming decade.

Quantum Tech in China

The Chinese are bringing back home, the Techs that we have educated at our finest schools...

Am trying to merge the two subjects, Quantum Tech and the Social Credit System... looks like we're getting behinder. frown
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#314005 - 08/19/19 08:53 PM Re: The Social Credit System [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
itstarted Offline
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Why would you think that?

Jeffery

Sorry... a bit of carryover. I've been posting on various forums, and have gotten used to having thoughtful subjects disappearing after 5 or 6 members make their 10 word reply, and figure they know all there is to know about the subject.

I enjoy discussions... (not arguments, but discussions). Two sides to most subjects, and I like learning... not winning or losing, but learning. Am afraid it's becoming old-fashioned. Diogenes is dead.

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#314008 - 08/20/19 01:27 AM Re: The Social Credit System [Re: itstarted]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 14332
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: itstarted
Why would you think that?

Jeffery

Sorry... a bit of carryover. I've been posting on various forums, and have gotten used to having thoughtful subjects disappearing after 5 or 6 members make their 10 word reply, and figure they know all there is to know about the subject.

I enjoy discussions... (not arguments, but discussions). Two sides to most subjects, and I like learning... not winning or losing, but learning. Am afraid it's becoming old-fashioned. Diogenes is dead.

tonbricks


Oh please, rest assured, I cannot for the life of me imagine anything you might do that would set off the fire suppression system at the Rant. You're not known for starting flame wars.

You're at home! laugh
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#314009 - 08/20/19 01:30 AM Re: The Social Credit System [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I object!! It started it!!!
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#314010 - 08/20/19 01:31 AM Re: The Social Credit System [Re: logtroll]
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Diogenes is dead...
No, no, no,
He’s outside, looking in.
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#314179 - 08/25/19 07:04 PM Re: The Social Credit System [Re: logtroll]
itstarted Offline
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Will add one last thread, and let this one go... frown


A first person look at the Chinese Social Credit System

(use the free "mercury reader" to avoid the many ads)

What really makes me think, is the idea that the entire process could be transferred into a U.S. Government operated system almost overnight. Today, the emphasis is on the hacking of our military intelligence, but that is only the tiniest tip of the iceberg. Imagine members of government seeing the Social Credit System as being a protective arm of our own government. Indeed, what part of our population would disagree with being provided with a safer and more honest future?


Edited by itstarted (08/25/19 07:06 PM)
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