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#314006 - 08/19/19 10:20 PM Senate activity
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I have been convinced, for some time, that the senate has been virtually shut down and is doing NOTHING. I just went to Congress.gov (Search)

to see if anything has changed. The senate seems to be doing stuff, less than the Democratic house but stuff! resolutions, concurrent resolutions and bills! 179 in fact, which were passed, or agreed to, by the senate. Some are pretty old which means that the house is also dragging its feet.

All this seems to be fact but this means I had it wrong so I thought I would run it through here to see if I am deluded or something is actually happening.

Reminder: the above link takes one to congress.gov which, in turn, has a LOT of options for listing congressional activity. In this particular case only stuff that has been run through the senate is listed. My assumption that if a bill has been passed to the senate it is automatically on its way to the house.

Thoughts?


Edited by Jeffery J. Haas (08/20/19 01:25 AM)
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#314162 - 08/25/19 01:54 AM Re: Senate activity [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I have been convinced, for some time, that the senate has been virtually shut down and is doing NOTHING. I just went to Congress.gov (Search)

to see if anything has changed. The senate seems to be doing stuff, less than the Democratic house but stuff! resolutions, concurrent resolutions and bills! 179 in fact, which were passed, or agreed to, by the senate. Some are pretty old which means that the house is also dragging its feet.

All this seems to be fact but this means I had it wrong so I thought I would run it through here to see if I am deluded or something is actually happening.

Reminder: the above link takes one to congress.gov which, in turn, has a LOT of options for listing congressional activity. In this particular case only stuff that has been run through the senate is listed. My assumption that if a bill has been passed to the senate it is automatically on its way to the house.

Thoughts?


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#314166 - 08/25/19 03:54 AM Re: Senate activity [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I'm always willing to speculate on anything...I'm guessing McConnell sees 2020 coming and is starting to shove stuff through because his days as majority leader are numbered.

We've only got to flip 3 seats to get the senate back. Hickenlooper is almost guaranteed to flip one of them...see?
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#314180 - 08/25/19 08:22 PM Re: Senate activity [Re: jgw]
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Lordy - I am actually praying we can win it all! The problem, as far as I can tell, is the Democratic party - you know, the pie in the sky party. The simple fact (and its becoming more apparent every day) is that if the Dems do take over they are going to have a HUGE mess to deal with. Our word needs to be restored, much of our bureaucratic infrastructure has be ripped and torn, Trump has to be sent up the river, the debt needs to be dealt with before the dollar dumps and the Chinese Yuan becomes the preferred means of exchange, etc. and that's just the beginning.

In addition to that the entire congress needs a serious overhaul and I have no idea how that can even be done. They have futzed so much with it that it can, literally, no longer function. The rulers of the house and senate have dictatorial powers and are either bumbling through (Pelosi) or are frozen in place (Moscow Mitch), appointments are determined by member ability to raise money over everything else, expert input is completely in the hands of the lobbies, and there is no evidence of any real responsibility whatsoever. In other words our elected class has actually been captured by the very rules they have put into place. I know, the sides don't talk to one another we are told and that is the entire problem. That was true once but, now? Both sides quiver in fear of getting primaried or attacked by powerful organizations such as the nra as well as political purists. Any member, on either side, who has the gumption to publicly speak to anybody in the opposition is immediately attacked with vigor, any member who may have done something whilst a teenager is in jeopardy of purging. (I am personally amazed the purists have not actually established legislative organizations based on medieval inquisition complete with thumb screws and the rack)

Then there is my ongoing whining about the national debt. When Obama left he had the deficit down to 600 billion and falling. Now, the party of fiscal responsibility has managed to not only get it to a trillion but a trillion every year for the foreseeable future. I would point out that that cannot be continued long before we start to default on our loans and, when that happens the great depression will become a minor blip in comparison.

So, the promises of free college, free child care (basically, free everything). Quick fixes for things economic, lobby corruption, etc. are just not going to be possible as whoever takes over will be too busy just trying to keep us from sinking into a very real sea of failure and dispair.

Oh, should also mention that we have actually managed to make high education fiscally unobtainable without incurring crushing lifelong debt. Our government no longer is really supporting much research these days. China, on the other hand, has 60% of all high school graduates continue onto higher education. Here is a link: https://www.china-mike.com/facts-about-china/facts-chinese-education/
The Chinese are, basically, out educating us, out researching us and are likely to beat us with quantum computers, space, AI, etc. Basically, against China we will eventually become a second class, backward nation of beggars.

Anyway, I am putting this here because its all starting with a dysfunctional elected class and, as far as I can tell, its really not getting any better real soon. We used to compete, now we are rapidly approaching survival. 2020 is going to define us and it scares the s*** out of me!

Apologies - got a bit carried away I fear...........

Just thought I would add a bit of possible future to consider............

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#314233 - 08/26/19 01:59 AM Re: Senate activity [Re: jgw]
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What China fails to talk about is their compulsory education stops at grade 9, and in rural areas it may stop at grade 6. The high schools have a great college entrance percentage because a lot of young people never go to high school! Students that do get through high school often go to college, but their colleges often turn out graduates who are not making as much as non-college workers or even unemployed.

Quote:
Six months after graduating, one in four Chinese university students have a salary that is below the average salary of a migrant worker, according to MyCOS data. History, law and literature have some of the lowest starting salaries, and also the lowest employment rates.

And for students who choose arts and humanities subjects in high school, the average starting salary after university is lower than that of their classmates who didn’t go to university, according to survey data. Of the 50 most common graduate occupations, 30% are low-skilled and don’t require a degree. For these students, low starting salaries and limited career progression call into question the value of their degree.

The high cost of living, particularly in big cities, has also forced millions of graduates into “ant tribes” of urban workers living in squalid conditions – often in basements – working long hours in low-paid jobs.


from China now produces twice as many graduates a year as the US

STEM and economics grads do well. I suspect China's leaders just said: "Turn out more college grads" and ignored the fact that not everyone is smart enough to be an engineer. They have a bad habit of doing stuff like that. That's the problem with central planning: To plan something so complex you have to be a genius, and clearly they aren't.

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#314237 - 08/26/19 02:26 AM Re: Senate activity [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I would hope that "Chinese Peasants" are treated well and are able to live their relatively pastoral lives with some degree of dignity.
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#314242 - 08/26/19 03:05 AM Re: Senate activity [Re: Greger]
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Well they never had been treated with dignity for the last 4000 years. Why would they start now? It starts when your parents manage to give birth to a baby boy, and the midwife takes you away to desert you or sell you into sex slavery at age 6.

Chinese leaders see peasants as infinitely replaceable. The girls as even less.

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#314254 - 08/26/19 06:13 PM Re: Senate activity [Re: jgw]
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Just thought I would give a couple links to chinese higher education:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_in_China
https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20181207064734679
https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20190507111155578

China is working at getting theirs educated, the United States obviously doesn't give a damn. They will be eating our lunch in the next couple of years.

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#314258 - 08/26/19 06:46 PM Re: Senate activity [Re: jgw]
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Quote:
China is working at getting theirs educated, the United States obviously doesn't give a damn. They will be eating our lunch in the next couple of years.


Ayup.

Socialism is gonna eat capitalism's lunch.

China is trying to raise the living standards of its people out of the 12th century... In America we raised our own standard of living so high that most folks can't afford it and are going broke and into debt.

We need to find a happy medium somewhere...
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#314288 - 08/27/19 04:53 AM Re: Senate activity [Re: jgw]
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We certainly need some class in High School that teaches the kids basic math in terms of college degree costs versus return and debt. We have a whole bunch of people trying to live above their means and going into bankruptcy over unexpected events. Almost zero high school athletes are going to play in the NFL or NBA. Almost zero high school musicians are going to be rock stars, or even make a decent living off music. Almost zero high school aspiring artists are going to do anything but wait tables. Almost zero high school drama students will make a living in the theater, other than sweeping up the floors.

They need to have real jobs that pay the bills, and their college experiences should prepare them for that. This is why so many colleges have minors: They can still play music, act in community theater, etc. as a hobby. If they happen to be great at it, they might make it as a star. But you have to pay the bills! When I read about a star who has a fallback career, I'm impressed: There is one of the (rare) smart ones.

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