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#314049 - 08/21/19 05:43 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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I'm reducing my carbon footprint, at least going forward. I have enough solar panels that I won't have to buy any electricity in the coming years. I'm also converting from propane to solar heat, solar hot water, and electric stove & clothes dryer. We hardly ever use the dryer, though. We have a clothes line! All of this stuff is quite practical in San Diego County.

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#314054 - 08/21/19 02:44 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Pretty good article, but you have to sign up with medium.com (it's a good thing to be signed up with, though...)

better technology isn't the solution to environmental collapse
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#314186 - 08/25/19 10:17 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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In the 1970's the "climate scientists" were predicting a global freeze caused by the use of fossil fuel.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html
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#314188 - 08/25/19 10:40 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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It's amazing that no new data or climate modeling methodologies have appeared in the past 40 years... I guess that's just the way the cookie bounces... Hmm
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#314196 - 08/25/19 11:34 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
It's amazing that no new data or climate modeling methodologies have appeared in the past 40 years... I guess that's just the way the cookie bounces... Hmm

In other words they were wrong in the 1970's and they are wrong now.
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#314201 - 08/25/19 11:41 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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I bet most of them are retired or dead...

What's your point? You can't logically argue that science is wrong all of the time just because some scientists were wrong once, or changed their theories as new data and modeling were available.

Your turn - what do you believe, and what is your basis for it?
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#314206 - 08/25/19 11:53 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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What I believe is that climate change has and does happen. The idea that it is man made is a political not scientific one. Look at the "remedies" for the coming global cooling that were made back in the 1970's. Those proposed solutions were political not scientific.
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#314207 - 08/26/19 12:01 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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You think the 1970's science was political why?
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#314215 - 08/26/19 12:35 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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You think the 1970's science was political why?
I told you why. Read the solutions that were proposed to stop the predicted global cooling back in the 1970's. They are the same political solutions that being suggested to stop the predicted global warming/climate change today.
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#314218 - 08/26/19 12:47 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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What I believe is that climate change has and does happen.

Well sure! We're only 10,000 years or so from an ice age. But there were reasons for them then too. A huge meteorite or massive volcanic eruptions, shite like that don't just happen out of the blue. This time around it's becoming pretty clear that the problem is too much CO2. Just coincidentally billions upon billions of people are creating huge amounts of CO2 and have been for centuries. Two and two have already been put together. Along and along, if you live long enough, that will become painfully clear.

Your reasons for denying it are mostly economic right? That it's too expensive to try to do anything about it so we shouldn't try?

You do understand that when Greenland has melted the seas will be 25 feet higher than they are today, right? And it's happening right before our eyes.

Exciting times these! Manhattan and Miami will be no more, New Orleans a memory. Orlando a Beach town! Wonder where them folks gonna go, will they be considered refugees? How they gonna be treated by the starving folks inland....
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