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#314130 - 08/24/19 01:48 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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This is fast becoming a Biden-Warren race (sorry Bernie), as more (now 4) Dems drop their bids, and others fade. Who do we see as potential running mates? Biden/Harris (patch the rift)? Biden/Beto (sub O'rourke for O'bama)? Biden/Klobuchar? Warren/Booker? Warren/Buttigieg (wonk power!)?


I know centrists and media like pushing that narrative. Much like Centrism and incrementalism, it's been shown to be hollow and lacking any meaningful evidence to back the claim.
other than, I suppose, facts and polling? What criteria do you propose, my friend? Wishful/magical thinking?

Oh, I see the answer. Add in magical economics.


Individual donors is a simple poll. It also measures voter enthusiasm as it has a real political economic component. I see no magic with it.

He also has a large volunteer force in all 50 states. Very dedicated and mobilized.

It may be that it's Biden or Warren. Can't say it's so easy to ignore Sanders at this point but, hey, why not. They did it in 2016 and we saw how that worked out....

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#314132 - 08/24/19 04:59 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Who do we see as potential running mates?

Too many moving parts to even zoom in on a likely field of possibilities. Has a candidate EVER chosen a competitor in the primaries as a running mate?
Off the top of my head: Reagan picked GHW Bush; Kerry picked John Edwards; Obama picked Biden. Oh, and Kennedy picked Johnson.

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#314133 - 08/24/19 05:02 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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One wonders who's side Perez and the DNC is on......

One doesn't have to wonder very much. The DNC is the money side of the party. They did change the "super-delegate" rule so perhaps they aren't evil incarnate. They are the purse strings of the party and as such you can expect them to be a bit on the centrist/corporatist side.

The refusal to grant the Climate Change Debate was one of structure rather than content...sort of.

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Can't say it's so easy to ignore Sanders at this point but, hey, why not. They did it in 2016 and we saw how that worked out....


They didn't ignore Sanders. They just didn't agree with him. It's politics. There's a lot more to it than just being right, because everybody thinks they're right whether they agree with you or not.
The way it worked out was that Bernie didn't win in the primaries. He didn't get as many votes as Clinton. You can blame whoever you want but that's what happened. More people voted for Clinton and she got the nomination. Even though Clinton was being constantly attacked and mocked and harangued in the press and online, that anti-Clinton forces from the right and the left united for that one grand take down of the great evil detested by them both. She still got more votes.

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we saw how that worked out....

Yeah we sat down that fateful night and watched Clinton get millions more votes than Trump. And then give a concession speech because she lost. And you somehow think Bernie got f*cked over worse than she did?

And you're still butthurt about that 2016 primary.
You want him to win...? GET HIM THE MOST VOTES.

Because on the primary election date in your state and mine a lot of Bernie fans are gonna sit home and say..."Why vote, he's not gonna win anyway because Democrats are assh*les and don't like us so we're not gonna play their silly game..."

And you know how that's gonna turn out?

I don't care whether it's Bernie or Liz. At the end of the day a Bernie and Liz ticket would thrill me to death. The closer we get to the 2020 primaries the more obvious it's going to become that Trump will not be able to win. Possibly won't even run. Republicans will basically abdicate power due to policy failures...So what is it we need Biden for? To beat Trump?

I see it turning into Warren vs Sanders race.
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#314134 - 08/24/19 05:13 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Off the top of my head:...

Okay...it was an honest question, I really didn't have any idea. Johnson turned out okay. But not in the way most southerners would have expected.
Biden's been a presidential candidate in every election since I was born, does he really count?
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#314147 - 08/24/19 08:55 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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"And you somehow think Bernie got f*cked over worse than she did?"

No. I think the country got f*cked over because of what she and her tribe did. It's not complicated.

I think your right about a Warren vs. Sanders race. Pretty sweet deal really.


Edited by chunkstyle (08/24/19 08:56 PM)

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#314150 - 08/24/19 11:01 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think your right about a Warren vs. Sanders race. Pretty sweet deal really.


Most of the single digit candidates will be running out of money soon. the rest won't get much past Idaho. Bernie and Liz are well funded. Biden is too.

Holy Cow! I was digging around and just noticed that California has moved their primary up to Super Tuesday March 13, that might help weed out the riff raff. WE should pretty much know the mood of the voters by then. I've just got a feeling we're gonna see Warren keep climbing.

"I've got a plan." That's a genius slogan. It's what people want to hear. We seriously need this country fixed and voters are going to hire the contractor who seems to have a plan and know how to do it.

Rumor has it that the other guy, "Crazy Bernie", was more expensive, would probably take longer, and quite frankly, seems a little daft. But they say he's like an artist or magician or something...
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#314151 - 08/24/19 11:08 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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No. I think the country got f*cked over because of what she and her tribe did. It's not complicated.


Here ya go...;)


If you're looking for the driving force in the Sanders screw-over, she's yo gurl.

Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

I think your right about a Warren vs. Sanders race. Pretty sweet deal really.


Let's just let Joe hang himself a few more times and I think we will get our Sanders-Warren race.
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#314158 - 08/25/19 01:23 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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She did her bit no doubt. She became the very public face of a team of tribal loyalists no doubt. Whats Robby Mook, Donna Brazile or Podesta doing these days?

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#314159 - 08/25/19 01:50 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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She did her bit no doubt. She became the very public face of a team of tribal loyalists no doubt. Whats Robby Mook, Donna Brazile or Podesta doing these days?


She did the big bit although Mook, Brazile and Podesta chipped in to do her bidding, most definitely. wink
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#314175 - 08/25/19 04:53 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The voters did it. These folks all had some small part in influencing them but the voters are the only ones who deserve credit or blame for the results of elections.
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