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#323061 - 03/19/20 04:55 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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I'm totally opposed to Joe Biden getting the nomination.

But at the same time I have already conceded. There will be no turnaround for Sanders, it's over.

Any state yet to hold primaries or caucuses should get busy printing ballots to mail out.

My last hope for any progressive movement is that Biden will choose Warren as a running mate. She could get s*** done while he's grinning at camera's and sniffing babies. She has a plan, he has...the confidence of American voters.

I expect him to choose Harris.
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#323062 - 03/19/20 06:10 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Mail in ballots would work. Yep, that would be good and I agree, time to get started with them. VP considerations, remember I'm a numbers guy. Warren wouldn't help Biden get to 270, neither would Harris. California and Massachusetts are going Democratic regardless. Although Warren would bring an ideological balance to the ticket. But not a regional one. You would also have two old fogies, 78 and 70 if I remember right. Harris is 55, in my opinion a better fit age wise.

Back to numbers, I'm leaving out men since Biden said he would choose a woman as VP. Klobuchar, Minnesota, regional balance, from Minnesota a state in which Hillary won by a single percentage point. Klobuchar would keep the swing state of Minnesota in the Democratic column. Baldwin, Wisconsin along with the Michigan governor, Whitmer, either one would bring those states Trump squeaked by in 2016 back into the Democratic column.

Although Stacey Abrams, Georgia, has the possibility of delivering Georgia to the Democrats, I like her. She lost the governorship by 55,000 vote in 2018. She lacks experience being the minority leaders in the Georgia state legislature. She's held no statewide or national office.

I'd be asking the question who would help me the most to get to 270. Then again, I'm not a partisan and not really ideological. So perhaps getting to 270 isn't the top priority among those faithful democratic loyalist.

Demings, Florida, congresswoman is another possiblity. But congress members do not the the ability to deliver a state like a senator or governor. Two governors are also possibilities, New Mexico, Grisham and Nevada, Masto, but they're going Democratic anyway. No help in getting to 270
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#323064 - 03/19/20 07:02 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Biden will get a black woman to be vice president. I think that is the deal. Harris, I think, would make a good AG, klobuchar probably wants Agriculture and Warren could get Treasury or whatever is in charge of the stock market. She will also take over, and rebuild her child, the Bureau of Consumer Protection.

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#323068 - 03/19/20 07:55 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think the Democratic Party should just print up paper ballots and get scanning machines if they need to. I live in a very small district because I'm in an enclave just outside a city limit, so we always have to vote by mail. Very easy to do, and never any waiting (so good for social distance). Primary results don't really need to come out quickly, so scanning a bunch of ballots should not be a problem. Besides, then they have all those paper ballots if they want to do a recount. It's certainly safer, and experts have been urging states to adopt it so they have paper trails that can't be hacked.

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#323069 - 03/19/20 08:01 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Whoever Biden picks, he's going to have to be careful if that woman holds a senate seat. He's going to need all the Democrats he can get in the senate. When senators leave early, the state's governor gets to pick a temporary substitute. But that person may hold office for 6 years, so not necessarily very temporary!

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#323071 - 03/19/20 08:18 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I voted early before our primary was cancelled. New machines, it prints out a sheet of paper with sort of a bar code on it, a funny looking ink blot which you hand in and it is scanned. So Georgia this year will have a paper trail if needed.
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#323074 - 03/19/20 08:25 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
perotista Offline
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Whoever Biden picks, he's going to have to be careful if that woman holds a senate seat. He's going to need all the Democrats he can get in the senate. When senators leave early, the state's governor gets to pick a temporary substitute. But that person may hold office for 6 years, so not necessarily very temporary!


For most states the appointment is only good until the next scheduled election. Isakson resigned in January, our governor appoint Loeffler, but she has to run in November. So we have two senate races this year. Like Arizona did in 2018. The normal one and a special election. Whoever wins the special election will have to run again in 2022 as that seat is a class III seat. 2016-2022,
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#323079 - 03/19/20 09:24 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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What would happen if Trump lost and invalidated the election?

Patrick Leahy would become President, there would be no one in the House of Representatives, and 2/3 of the Senate (with a Democratic majority) would still be seated.

I found this on our very own Hal Brown's blog.
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#323087 - 03/20/20 04:33 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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This is where it gets interesting. Neoliberals suppressing their own primary election voters, while ignored by their own media but not by their political rivals, may have burned their legitimacy for 'rules and procedures'.

It might turn out to have been a self own.

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#323090 - 03/20/20 06:13 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think somebody else suggested this one but, just in case. What happens if Bernie AND Biden get Covid-19 and pass. The Dems would then be forced to have a convention to decided who runs. There are some problems with this one. Could they, for instance, have a convention by Skype (or whatever)? Would a convention by Skype be secure? (really?)

Basically, just how would be be done? Could only real card carrying Democrats be the only ones to make the decision? I can see Democratic infighting with so much vigor that NOTHING gets decided and bad feelings are pretty much what's left. On the other hands perhaps there are growed up who can save the day?

How about this one. Trump, a previously lifelong Democrat decides to try for the Democratic nomination as well as the Republican nomination and then runs under both parties?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm??

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